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[econ_tim]

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: econ_tim is SB with 8:spade:, A:club:. UTG calls, 1 fold, econ_tim completes, BB checks.Flop: (4 SB) T:club:, 3:spade:, T:diamond: (4 players)econ_tim checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets, BB folds, UTG folds, CO calls.Turn: (4 BB) 5:diamond: (2 players)econ_tim bets, CO calls.River: (6 BB) K:diamond: (2 players)econ_tim checks ...I know, small pot. But I really think MHIG here often enough against Villains who autobet in position.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

Are we checking to induce a bluff we can call with ace high?And is that better than leading the river?

[econ_tim]

TJ_Eckleburg said:

Are we checking to induce a bluff we can call with ace high?And is that better than leading the river?

I hardly ever bet the river with A-high. I'm not sure whether this river is check/call or check/fold.I played a strong line, so villains often check behind with weak hands. Some players autobet the river when checked to, though. Absent a read, check/folding is probably best.

[Roughness]

Hey Tim,I think folding to a bet on the river is cool too, I don't think villain will bet with something we beat, and probably doesn't fold to a raise. However, if we plan to call on the river, how is a checkraise on the turn? Is that like ultra-donk, checkraising flop and checkraising turn, checkfolding river? I'm just running it through my head, maybe if we do this, we get a checkbehind on river as villain might be worried we'll do it for the third time? This just goes REALLY shitty when the villain hits his king on the river and bets it. I'm not saying you're wrong at all, since I think folding the river is best regardless. If we plan to call the river though as was played, could raising the turn be considered?EDIT: This is confusing the way I typed it. I'm asking how well a checkraise on the turn, followed by a checkfold on the river would be. I'm only asking about this if we intend to call on the river the way the hand was played. I don't know if a river call is correct there, but I'm leaning towards fold.

[amarillotg]

i do not like this at all (flop c/r w/ A high) unless you know the villain better than you know yourself.you can only beat a pure bluff.his 2 pair of 10's and 3's take it down.

[econ_tim]

Roughness said:

However, if we plan to call on the river, how is a checkraise on the turn?

I don't like checking the turn for a couple reasons. First, Villain could very likely take a free card. A lot of players autobet the flop if they have position and are checked to, but will slow down once someone shows agression. We really can't afford to give Villain a free card, because he'll usually have 6 outs against us when we're ahead.Second, we represented a strong hand on the flop. Maybe Tx, maybe a pocket pair. The turn probably didn't help Villain, so he will often fold to a bet.

[econ_tim]

amarillotg said:

i do not like this at all (flop c/r w/ A high) unless you know the villain better than you know yourself.you can only beat a pure bluff.his 2 pair of 10's and 3's take it down.

Glad you said this. I check/fold the flop to a bet from early or middle position. Only if CO opens will I check/raise. I think he need to bet with air here about 50% of the time for me to do this, which doesn't seem unreasonable.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

I also feel that someone who check/raises two consecutive betting streets needs to be mocked.Always makes me wonder WTF is going on when I get checkraised twice.

[screech]

econ_tim said:

amarillotg said:

i do not like this at all (flop c/r w/ A high) unless you know the villain better than you know yourself.you can only beat a pure bluff.his 2 pair of 10's and 3's take it down.

Glad you said this. I check/fold the flop to a bet from early or middle position. Only if CO opens will I check/raise. I think he need to bet with air here about 50% of the time for me to do this, which doesn't seem unreasonable.

Tim,You have the right idea here with your c/r, but I'd want my hand to be a bit stronger to pull this move. A small pp like 22 would be fine.As it is, I think the pot is too small and your hand a bit too weak to try this play.

[amarillotg]

screech said:

econ_tim said:

amarillotg said:

i do not like this at all (flop c/r w/ A high) unless you know the villain better than you know yourself.you can only beat a pure bluff.his 2 pair of 10's and 3's take it down.

Glad you said this. I check/fold the flop to a bet from early or middle position. Only if CO opens will I check/raise. I think he need to bet with air here about 50% of the time for me to do this, which doesn't seem unreasonable.

Tim,You have the right idea here with your c/r, but I'd want my hand to be a bit stronger to pull this move. A small pp like 22 would be fine.As it is, I think the pot is too small and your hand a bit too weak to try this play.

this is what i was trying to get at. i'd make this move with a pair of 3's or any pp. ace high is probably hitting the muck pretty quick for me.

[amarillotg]

the other thing is that even if this guy will auto-bet air in position why not let him take this small pot. it will only encourage him to do it again when you do have a hand.

[CobaltBlue]

TJ_Eckleburg said:

I also feel that someone who check/raises two consecutive betting streets needs to be mocked.Always makes me wonder WTF is going on when I get checkraised twice.

Ever been check-raised heads-up three times in one hand? I've had it happen to me twice.