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[Absolute]

I am sitting on about 43,000 in chips (average stack is around 15k). I will preface this by saying that I had a pretty good read on the table, and any big moves I made would keep position and my reads of the players in mind. So, I am sitting on 8-8 one off the button (9 handed game), and there are three callers (my read was that these callers would not play to a raise) so I too, with good position here just called (maybe a smooth call here is bad, but I liked the situation at the time)The button folds, SB folds, and BB checks, so five players in the pot, and the flop comes 4-9-J rainbow.The blinds were at 500-1K (very fast format), and the next biggest stack in this pot only had about 12K left. EVERYONE checks to me, and I push in 10K, which makes anyone in this hand put their remaining chips in to play.Here are my thoughts here, I am only worried about a hand like A-J 0r K-J here, maybe A-9 but probably not. Obviously 4-4, or 9-9 bothers me, but I thought any of these players would raise pre-flop with 9-9 or J-J, even with A-J the way the table had been playing.Turns out, I get called by the BB with K-9, and lose a third of my stack.I really don't like this players call here, but thats besides the point.Was I getting good fold equity pushing in here?

[holman3rd]

Sure, I think so since anyone would have had to call almost their entire stack to call your bet. They'd still have enough left (>10BB) to avoid desperation, at least near term. But, I think a pot-sized bet of $5k would have been better. Overbetting the pot from a steal position looks like a steal to most players.Also, I would have called to 88 too, but only because there were 3 limpers. I'd want to encourage multi-way action from the button and blinds to increase the pot-odds for hitting a set. If it had been folded to me, I would have raise to at least $3k.As for the BB's call with K9, it's not that bad, imo. You made a 2x pot bet, which would look like a steal to me, and I wouldn't put you on a J. So, he had middle pair with a great kicker. Given his stack size, he made a good call, imo.

[UglyJimStudly]

If I had been at that table, I would have called you with top pair, no question or doubt about it. Reasons are (1) you showed no strength pre-flop, (2) it's a fairly quiet flop, best hand out there might well be a straight draw, and (3) checked around then big bet looks like a blatant steal attempt rather than a real hand. Second pair, as actually happened, is iffier, but I can see it simply because of the steal attempt. To make the big stack bully routine work, you really needed to raise preflop, I think. It looks like pre-flop you thought "big multiway pot, I'll keep 'em in and try to hit my set", then post-flop you decided to represent a big hand for the steal; switching gears like that might have tipped the K9 off that second pair and an overcard was good enough for a call.

[ghoti7four]

Where were you exactly with these 43,000 in chips, and may I have some please? Also my birthday is quite soon so I may materialize...yours,The ghost of Christmas yet to... gasp! whats that?!? A GREAT WHITE WHALE!!!!

[AKQJ2o]

Absolute said:

... The blinds were at 500-1K (very fast format), and the next biggest stack in this pot only had about 12K left. EVERYONE checks to me, and I push in 10K, which makes anyone in this hand put their remaining chips in to play.Was I getting good fold equity pushing in here?

Since the blinds were 500/1K I'd have probably put the next biggest stack in with a 12K bet, rather than betting 10K, but that's a minor point. Still, you get to stare down the next biggest stack in the hand for another 2K and ask him - "How much have you got left?" - that's probably worth the extra 2K right there!Nobody had showed any strength, you put them in a position where they were going to have to put their whole stack in to see another card, you have position and a pocket pair, it seems like a reasonable move to me. Once you put in the 12K chips nobody can come back over the top at you if they hit their draw. Worst case scenario is that you lose 12K chips, that leaves you 30K chips to play with.You've got five guys on the hook and nobody can hurt you with a raise if they hit a hand (because they're already all-in). It's an agressive play without too much of a downside, IMO.