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[hotbacon]

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is Button with K:club:, K:diamond:. 2 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) 2:club:, 4:club:, 9:diamond: (4 players)BB checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, CO folds, Hero calls.Turn: (7.75 BB) Q:diamond: (2 players)MP1 checks, Hero bets, Hero calls.River: (11.75 BB) 6:spade: (2 players)MP1 checks, Hero bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 15.75 BBStandard? It's been a rough session

[TheCinciKid]

I'm capping the flop. Other than that I think it's ok.FWIW, after capping the flop I think it may play out differently. If he leads into me on the turn I'm calling down, if he checks I play it the same way you do, except that I might be tempted to check behind on the river after getting check-raised on the turn. Also, reads could be very helpful in this hand.

[Actuary]

he takes you for a sucker.Either:He's got a set and knows you will bet out on both streetsorHe has a missed draw that he thinks you'll fold to.I can't bet this river.i hope your sessi0n gets better.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

Haven't read replies.Easiest flop cap in the WORLD. If we just call the 3-bet he thinks he's taking the lead in the hand. It might embolden him, and we can't have that.Turn: Check-raises happen. Good call-down.River: He checks a card that completely misses all draws entirely, after check/raising the turn. Hmmm.Flush missed, no OESD hit, and we're ahead of all one pairs. I'm value-betting the hell out of the river, and if he check/raises two pair on the river... buddy list him.I'm losing 2 BB on the river too, if we lose this hand.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

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I can't bet this river.

I realize we got check/raised on the turn.I'm just so used to value betting EVERYTHING at .50/1 and getting called ALL the time with the goofiest stuff ever that I'm betting most rivers where I feel I've had the lead the whole hand... especially if draws miss.This could be a leak of mine, or it might not apply to the play at 2/4 because I don't play 2/4 yet... so take that with a grain of salt.I definitely think you have to cap the flop though.

[screech]

Fool me three times, shame on...I start getting concerned when villian check/3-bets on that dry flop. This usually doesn't indicate a draw. He probably has a pair of nines beat. I don't mind just calling the 3-bet.The turn is good. I check behind the river. If villian bet the river, you have a tough decision. I probably call because this hand was played so strangely and I want to see what hand he pulls this type of shit with.Did he continue to have a check/raise fetish after this hand?

[CoranMoran]

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Easiest flop cap in the WORLD.

Capping the flop is the standard action here.But on occasion, if I am confident with my reads, I will make a different play.

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If we just call the 3-bet he thinks he's taking the lead in the hand. It might embolden him, and we can't have that.

Your Kings are the best hand, yes.Not capping loses a SB, yes.But having him thinking that he is taking the lead in the hand is not necessarily unprofitable.Because you raised preflop, your flop raise doesn't always mean incredible strength.You may simply be attempting to maintain the betting lead to isolate the CO or buy a free turn card.So if you were to now only call the 3-bet from MP, this would show some weakness and would give MP the confidence that his hand was best.And if you believe that this scenario would then cause the MP to lead the turn, you would gain a BB when you put in a raise here.In contrast, if you cap the flop, the MP will often check to you on the turn and you will lose this opportunity. --cnm

[hotbacon]

To people who said to cap PF:I thought it was close, but I decided against it because the guy check-3-bet, so it's likely that I'm either drawing to 2 outs or he's drawing to 5. He would have to have something like A9 quite a bit here to make capping the right play IMO.Oh, and I think calling the 3-bet and raising a brick turn is pretty bad here. The hands that beat me are 3-betting (except maybe bottom two or smth), and I'm stuck to my hand since I'd have odds vs two pair and he's unknown. If I'm beating him, he can just call so I'm essentially putting myself in a situation where I need to be something like a 2-1 favorite to make the play. I don't think that's the case after he check-3bet the flop.

[amarillotg]

i like calling the 3-bet on the flop.i fall for the c/r on the turn but i check behind on the river.the 3-bet cold on the flop screams imense strength to me.

[Abbaddabba]

When you cap and he has top pair, your edge is large. You win more on the flop.When you cap and he has two pair or a set, his edge is larger. You lose more on the flopWhen you cap and he has a flush draw (w/ a pair or possible over), your edge is relatively small. You win slightly more on the flop.From a value perspective, the effects are marginal on the flop.I dont like how capping affects later streets.You slow down (and possibly have folding) a top pair flop hand ghzg you want calling.You can only win _less_ (UI) on the turn and river by capping when you're ahead.You still get heavy action from most hands that have you beat. At best, you lose the same on the turn and river. At worst, you get checkraised (because you bet basically every turn).When you cap and he has a flush draw semi bluff, you pick up an extra bet from the river bluff that he's unlikely to make if you take control of the hand.

[akishore]

i don't cap the flop. i call the three-bet with the intent to raise most turns.TJ, stop thinking that "we mustn't let our opponent have the lead!" a lot of profit comes specifically from letting our opponents fire away with weaker hands and raising them later.i agree this is less applicable at .50/1.i would check the river after i got c/r on the turn. a missed draw isn't calling anyway.aseem

[KDawgCometh]

for anyone who is recomending capping the flop, let me just say this: it is dumb. In fact, its very dumb. THe villian CR three bets the flop, is that not telling you that he has a big handturn: I bet out here being checked to, I'm torn on raising any turn, just seems much like overplaying out hand IMOrivver: check dude, you've been CRed twice, just because we have an overpair, doesn't mean that its the best hand after the turn action. We may have the best hand, but, I don't know how much real value we have in a bet there

[TheCinciKid]

KDawgCometh said:

for anyone who is recomending capping the flop, let me just say this: it is dumb. In fact, its very dumb. THe villian CR three bets the flop, is that not telling you that he has a big hand

Just to play devil's advocate. You're probably right and I'm probably wrong. But, could villain not be check/3-betting the flop with QQ, JJ, TT or A9 enough to make capping correct? I don't think that the check/3-bet necessarily means he has us beat. He may even be doing it with a club draw, depending on what kind of player he is.

[KDawgCometh]

TheCinciKid said:

KDawgCometh said:

for anyone who is recomending capping the flop, let me just say this: it is dumb. In fact, its very dumb. THe villian CR three bets the flop, is that not telling you that he has a big hand

Just to play devil's advocate. You're probably right and I'm probably wrong. But, could villain not be check/3-betting the flop with QQ, JJ, TT or A9 enough to make capping correct? I don't think that the check/3-bet necessarily means he has us beat. He may even be doing it with a club draw, depending on what kind of player he is.

a club draw would make more sense if there were a coldcaller or two behind your raise on the flop. The PF action doesn't dicatate QQ or JJ. A9s might be what he has, but, if he has A 9 , we aren't in the greatest shape against it, He has 14 outs to beat us twice, not cool if you ask me. 1010 may be a possibility, but, again, the PF action doesn't really dictate that either, he open donks from MP1, that makes things interesting, and it doesn't lead me to wanting to cap this flop