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[akishore]

3/6 ringi open in mp with 8 8 , button and bb are the only callers.(6 sb, 3 plrs) J 9 7 bb checks, i bet, both call.(4.5 bb, 3 plrs) 6 bb bets, i ...one player to act behind me.aseem

[guinevar]

Fold getting 5.5-1 with someone act behind where 2 overcards are on the board.

[akishore]

guinevar said:

Fold getting 5.5-1 with someone act behind where 2 overcards are on the board.

we have an open-ender, and we hold two blocker cards which makes it way less likely that anyone has the same open-ender.aseem

[screech]

Rizzaise.The player behind us could have an ten or five that we would like them to fold. They may even fold a pair of nines or a hand which has the odds to call which would be great for us if BB is FOS.

[akishore]

screech said:

Rizzaise.The player behind us could have an ten or five that we would like them to fold.  They may even fold a pair of nines or a hand which has the odds to call which would be great for us if BB is FOS.

so a raise increases our winning chances.is that increase worth putting in more money when we're usually behind (pushing a negative equity edge)?aseem

[screech]

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is that increase worth putting in more money when we're usually behind (pushing a negative equity edge)?

It can be correct when we're usually behind if raising increases our equity enough so that it makes up that extra BB.In this case, since the pot is 5.5BB, raising would have to increase our equity by ~ 20%. It really depends on the turn bettor and looseness of the player behind us. If the guy behind us would never fold a better hand, and the pf bettor would never bet a worse hand, raising is wrong for obvious reasons.Now that I've had to explain myself, raising usually won't be the best play.

[Actuary]

w/o reading others:I call. (of course, I always call)I don't think pot is big enough to go crazy protecting it.I'd call a 3-bet, but woulda rather not have toI think we can consider our selves drawing now.ok.... now reading others...I go with Actuary. Call.And we can fold the river UI.

[guinevar]

Missed the open ender. It's been a long day.

[guinevar]

Ok. Raise to try to get the other guy out. call a three-bet. fold river ui.There.

[Abbaddabba]

Wouldnt you prefer overcalls on the turn?You're opening action to a guy who usually isn't completely full of it. How often do you really think he's betting less than a 9? I dont think it's that often. The only thing i can think of is if he picked up a flush draw to go with whatever he called the flop with. Flush draws simply won't fold here, and you dont much care if pairs call behind you when the BB has a 9 or better (which he generally does). In fact, you want them to. Dead money in the pot, except for the time that you hit your set and somene had a pair with an inside draw. Those instances are rare. That's 4-5% of the time that someone both has the inside draw, and calls the turn bet with it... AND that they would have folded to two bets.I'd call and fold UI, personally.

[Sysvr4]

Raise to fold the guy behind you and for a free showdown.Jeff

[Actuary]

Sysvr4 said:

Raise to fold the guy behind you and for a free showdown.Jeff

I really think that's spewing.Aren't we more concerned with our hand being good against the BB ?I don't see how we gain 20% equity folding the button...and possibly getting 3-bet here.Free showdown...not gauranteed.

[akishore]

i agree with everyone who is saying just call for reasons already mentioned.i raised and immediately i felt it was a mistake.one important thing to note is that we don't really care that much for a free showdown with third pair...aseem