brando 0 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is CO with Q:club:, Q:diamond:. 2 folds, BB calls.Flop: (4.50 SB) T:spade:, 5:diamond:, 7:heart: (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, Hero calls.Is this a good spot to wait for the turn to raise?Turn: (4.25 BB) 2:spade: (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, Hero calls.check/raised for the second time......call ok or should I 3 bet?River: (8.25 BB) K:spade: (2 players)If villian bets I call, if he checks do I bet? Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 I think you should 3-bet the flop.Check the river. Link to post Share on other sites
princeof56k 0 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 If the villian checks the river, I would check behind. Mainly because getting check/raised 3 times in the same hand is just too humiliating. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 I'm definitely 3 betting this flop. The way this hand played out i'm calling the turn and either checking behind on the river or calling 1 bet.Getting checkraised on both the flop and turn really sucks. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 i believe that you generally only wait for the turn to raise when you either have a very strong hand and are essentially slowplaying, or when you want other players in the hand to have to face an extra bet.the latter is more important - you do it so that other players in the hand will have to face an extra bet in the hand, and therefore won't have the odds to call their draws. this is not the case in this hand.so, you should three-bet the fl Link to post Share on other sites
monoatomic 0 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 I'd wait to 3 bet the turn rather then the flop.Looks like you are on a steal. If I were the BB and had 10x or 7x, I'd probably at best put you on middle pair, but most likely high cards or Ax. Betting out at that flop would be a usual high card play to try and take it down right there.The villian did play it rather odd, check raising twice, which is pause for concern.I'd 3-bet the turn and re-evaluate the river.If he checks the river, depends on the card that fell. The Ks brings an over to your queens and 3 to the flush. If he checks, I'd probably check behind. If it was a different river say the 3h, I'd probably bet out once more. If he bets, I call. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 you need to make life easier for yourself, just go ahead and three bet the flop Link to post Share on other sites
brando 0 Posted October 31, 2005 Author Share Posted October 31, 2005 you need to make life easier for yourself, just go ahead and three bet the flopagreed and will do from now on. The river went check/check and he had A7os. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 Haven't read results.3-betting the flop stands out to me. I'd rather find out if he has the cojones to cap me for small bets rather than big bets later. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerkid 0 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Now that we've seen the villain's turn play we know he probably has something,BUT on the flop, if he's just making a play at the pot to take it down, we want him to continue to bluff at us on the turn.After seeing his turn check-raise it is easier to say "three bet the flop," but w/ the info we have on the flop, i like the stop and go. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Now that we've seen the villain's turn play we know he probably has something,BUT on the flop, if he's just making a play at the pot to take it down, we want him to continue to bluff at us on the turn.After seeing his turn check-raise it is easier to say "three bet the flop," but w/ the info we have on the flop, i like the stop and go.uh, no, this flop must be three bet, like, all the time. the villian's action on the turn doesn't change the fact that the flop must be three bet Link to post Share on other sites
pokerkid 0 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 why three-bet it?It's not a very draw heavy board (what are we worried about, 8-9?)And we're almost certain we're ahead, so why don't we wait for the turn when the betting limits double? Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 why three-bet it?Because I'm 3-betting hands weaker than QQ here. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 why three-bet it?It's not a very draw heavy board (what are we worried about, 8-9?)And we're almost certain we're ahead, so why don't we wait for the turn when the betting limits double?one, what screech said, two, because its smart, three, so that we make anyone with an overcard pay to see that next card. Pulling a Stop n Go doesn't let us take control of the hand and we don't know where we are at. Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 why three-bet it?It's not a very draw heavy board (what are we worried about, 8-9?)And we're almost certain we're ahead, so why don't we wait for the turn when the betting limits double?one, what screech said, two, because its smart, three, so that we make anyone with an overcard pay to see that next card. Pulling a Stop n Go doesn't let us take control of the hand and we don't know where we are at.so you never just call the check raise on the flop waiting to pop the turn with an overpair less than AA? I don't think this would be a terrible play against an aggressive player. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 why three-bet it?It's not a very draw heavy board (what are we worried about, 8-9?)And we're almost certain we're ahead, so why don't we wait for the turn when the betting limits double?one, what screech said, two, because its smart, three, so that we make anyone with an overcard pay to see that next card. Pulling a Stop n Go doesn't let us take control of the hand and we don't know where we are at.so you never just call the check raise on the flop waiting to pop the turn with an overpair less than AA? I don't think this would be a terrible play against an aggressive player.it isn't if you don't follow through on the turn. if this player is very aggressive, then the turn needs to be three bet rather then the flop, but, brando never gave that inclination. Plus QQ is different then KK or AA, I'm three betting the flop all day long Link to post Share on other sites
pokerkid 0 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Kdawg/Screech, would you just call the flop raise with AA or KK and wait for the turn to get more bets in with those hands? Link to post Share on other sites
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