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[Binbs]

Had reraised with AA before and bet small on flop as a trap. Villain sees 45 % VPIP but only 5 % PF raise.** Game ID 557556466 starting - 2005-10-28 00:53:48** Schwerin [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money- Binbs sitting in seat 1 with $137.69 [Dealer]- gingaburger sitting in seat 3 with $27.29 [Sitting out]- pokerface86 sitting in seat 4 with $159.76- FRESHNO12 sitting in seat 5 with $153.05- talr sitting in seat 6 with $108.45pokerface86 posted the small blind - $0.50FRESHNO12 posted the big blind - $1.00** Dealing card to Binbs: Queen , Queen talr called - $1.00Binbs raised - $4.00pokerface86 called - $4.00FRESHNO12 raised - $7.00talr called - $7.00Binbs raised - $20.00pokerface86 foldedFRESHNO12 called - $20.00talr folded** Dealing the flop: Jack , 3 , 5 FRESHNO12 bet - $3.00Binbs raised - $12.00FRESHNO12 raised - $21.00Binbs foldedFRESHNO12 mucks:FRESHNO12 wins $82.00 from the main potEnd of game 557556466

[DrZebra]

WHAT!this is absurd!49 dollars in the pot before the flop.he bet 3, you should raise to 40.as is, it's 9 to call into an 82 dollar pot. since the bets are miniscule, this is not necessarily, "reraise, reraise...he must have aces."if he bets out 21 into the 49 pot on the flop without your little ballet action, you do not fold, i guarantee.

[pokerplayer24]

I believe it was a raise of 21$ on top of his 12. When he bets out 3$ i'm making it at least 30 in that spot. I think i'm putting the guy all in here tho. Good chance guy made that play with a flush draw imo.

[Chief]

DrZebra said:

WHAT!49 dollars in the pot before the flop.he bet 3, you should raise to...

Preflop:You didn't reraise enough. The game is five handed.The pot is ~$27 when it gets around to you. I would reraise to somewhere between $35-50. Postflop:I don't interpret the small bet / minreraise line as strength here.He doesn't know if you are drawing or not, and he doesn't protect his hand.I think you gave the villain way too much credit.Sure there is a flush draw out there (and he may be drawing to it), another more likely possibility is that he has one or two overs, or an underpair, or even a Jack.A small bet / push all in reraise line from the villain would have meant more strength.I can tell you play very cautiously and think things through, which is good, but you probably out thought yourself here. The villain may perceive you as a tight, cautious player that doesn't get involved unless you have the goods. I guarantee you if you call the flop he is pushing ANY turn, with a hands that beat you and draws. He would be a fool not to given his likely range of hands and what his self-perceived fold equity is.If you have seen the Villain in ten or more scenarios when he is doing this "chip ballet" as Dr. Zebra so aptly puts it, and every time he's doing it with a set, two pair, a premium overpair like AA or KK, and NEVER a draw -- then the turn is a good spot to save your chips if you don't improve. But you clearly weren't sure on the flop where you were at. You obviously don't have enough information on this player to make this kind of laydown. If you were sure that minibets on the flop = extreme strength, you would have called the $3 (lol) and then tried to hit your 2-outer. That $12 raise doesn't tell you any thing, nor does it appear strong to your opponent at all. I push on the flop baby.So in summary:His holding is Tier I / Tier IIHe is a tricky playerHe probably views you as cautious / weak tightDon't fold to the min-reraise. You are getting at least 6:1.Please push and protect your hand which is good here a majority of the time.

[Davin]

pf: i call in this situation a lot. i act last on the flop, and my hand strength is well disguised. if the flop doesnt bring an ace or king (about 60% of the time), i could look forward to a nice payday from my opponents. if it does, well i have the minimum invested, and i can reevaluate and dump my hand. i do this regularly because it's the best risk/reward ratio. post-flop: listen to drzebra

[pokerplayer24]

Davin said:

pf: i call in this situation a lot. i act last on the flop, and my hand strength is well disguised. if the flop doesnt bring an ace or king (about 60% of the time), i could look forward to a nice payday from my opponents. if it does, well i have the minimum invested, and i can reevaluate and dump my hand. i do this regularly because it's the best risk/reward ratio. post-flop: listen to drzebra

Or more likely you decide to just call on the flop, a low flop comes and you run into AA or KK and lose all your $. I mean what hands is your opponent reraising you with here. AK, AQ, AA KK, JJ-99 would be the hand range I put the guy on.Vs these hands AK and AQ are only paying you off on total bluffs. AA KK are taking all your $ and JJ-99 will most likely procede with caution unless the flop is unbelievably low. With QQ i want to have my hand defined preflop and I want to have an idea as far as what my opponents have. QQ just isn't a hand that you're going to win a ton of $ with post flop unless you flopped a set or the flop comes down something like 247 rainbow.

[allinbluff35]

your reraise preflop sucks

[DrZebra]

pokerplayer24 said:

Or more likely... you run into AA or KK and lose all your $.

More likely? hahahahahaha. Learn your odds boy.

pokerplayer24 said:

I mean what hands is your opponent reraising you with here. AK, AQ, AA KK, JJ-99 would be the hand range I put the guy on.

Then you'd be wrong. When Binbs reraised preflop to 20, Freshno just called indicating that QQ is the best preflop hand. Why? you ask....Because Binbs has stated outright "I'm willing to continue betting and I'm not going to slowdown..." That's a great thing to hear if you look down and see AA or KK. AA or KK definitely pops it here.

[Davin]

pokerplayer24 said:

Davin said:

pf: i call in this situation a lot. i act last on the flop, and my hand strength is well disguised. if the flop doesnt bring an ace or king (about 60% of the time), i could look forward to a nice payday from my opponents. if it does, well i have the minimum invested, and i can reevaluate and dump my hand. i do this regularly because it's the best risk/reward ratio. post-flop: listen to drzebra

Or more likely you decide to just call on the flop, a low flop comes and you run into AA or KK and lose all your $. I mean what hands is your opponent reraising you with here. AK, AQ, AA KK, JJ-99 would be the hand range I put the guy on.Vs these hands AK and AQ are only paying you off on total bluffs. AA KK are taking all your $ and JJ-99 will most likely procede with caution unless the flop is unbelievably low. With QQ i want to have my hand defined preflop and I want to have an idea as far as what my opponents have. QQ just isn't a hand that you're going to win a ton of $ with post flop unless you flopped a set or the flop comes down something like 247 rainbow.

sweet... play like that, so easy to read. i love how ppl just play textbook all the time, makes it easy on me. like seriously... play w/ some imagination instead of some drone that's like "o shit, i got queens, i better raise it pf and give away my hand strength". you're LAST TO ACT ON THE FLOP, if you really have absolutely no reading skills whatsoever, then yeah, get all your money in preflop. but if you're somewhat competent at judging your opponents hand, you'll be able to get a sense of their holdings on the flop after they act. and if you still have no idea, you'll gain more information w/ a flop raise than a pf raise.i seriously just cant stand ppl who play w/ absolutely no imagination and then ridicule others who do, bc they personally dont know any other way to play a strong hand besides jamming the pot preflop

[Chief]

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** Dealing card to Binbs: Queen Suit: Club , Queen Suit: Spadetalr called - $1.00Binbs raised - $4.00pokerface86 called - $4.00FRESHNO12 raised - $7.00talr called - $7.00

In this particular situation, the *general* play I make is isolate with a big preflop reraise [pot or 1.5x pot]. I like to charge the villains to see a flop when I likely have the best hand, hopefully get 1-caller. Isolate baby, it's sexy.If he were just getting action from freshno12 then cold calling the $7 raise in position is a viable play for the reasons Davin mentioned.