bad poker etiquette.. was i wrong here?

[kcb 0]

So some friends and I are playing a small buy-in homegame. About 7 people showed up..A very tight/passive player raises before me nearly 7 times the big blind. I find this very odd. I mean, it's obvious he has a pocket pair, but why that big of a bet? Anyway, I looked down at 5/6 suited in spades.. I was the last person to act, so I call.The flop comes 4/J/7 rainbow.. He bets a really small portion after the flop, like maybe 1/12th of the pot.. So I'm thinking that that was his sad attempt at a continuation bet and he was scared of that Jack.. I move all in with my up and down straight draw..So my opponent is decided on what is going on.. He is thinking outloud a little bit.. What really ticked me off is everyone else that wasn't in the hand giving their two cents.. "Com'on Chris, you've already come this far..""Well, there isn't a flush out there.. ""Nope, no flush draws.. Go for it..""I put him on 7's.. Chris should call..""Com'on Chris, you got him covered.. "I'm hearing all of this and just getting steamed. I didn't want to say anything then, because that would have probably been a tell right there. He ended up calling anyway.The turn came a 3 and gave me my straight so it all worked out, but I let everyone hear it.. I just had to get up and walk away for a few hands, after I said "Since when is poker a f ucking team game?"Anyway, was I wrong here?

[jayistheman 0]

your play was wrongthey were wronghe was wrongyou are all winners.im a dick.

[Golden 2]

Your play was awful.

[Sushiman 0]

It's a homegame, so no need to get bent out of shape like that. I play in games all the time where there's half the table sweating your hand and what you should do, but those are the kind of games I goto and I know what to expect. If you hate that, then don't play in this particular game. But what you shouldn't do is get mad and try to change the environment of the room because you feel it's not serious enough.

[kcb 0]

I don't necessarily feel that it wasn't serious enough, but when there are two hands in play, no matter how lax the environment is, there shouldn't be outloud discussion about it.. I assumed it was bad poker etiquette to do so.. If I'm wrong than I apologize..And how was my play wrong?

[kcb 0]

Your play was awful.

When is a semi-bluff at a huge pot ever wrong?I put him on the exact same hand that he had and put him to a tough decision..

[Petoria 0]

If you know he has a low PP, then the push is fine bc you have tremendous fold equity.

[kcb 0]

If you know he has a low PP, then the push is fine bc you have tremendous fold equity.

Yeah.. They might mean my cold call with my suited connectors.. Oh well..I had position on my opponent and had a really good read on him.. I'd be different if he went all-in and I called with a draw. My first intention was to push him out of the pot.. With a bet of 1/12th of the pot, I had to really doubt his willingness to play this flop.But I had a back-up plan if he did call..I actually think I made a good play.

[jayistheman 0]

so you closed the action pre flop?wouldnt that make you a blind, thus oop?

[bdc30 0]

But I had a back-up plan if he did call..I actually think I made a good play.

Anyone else laugh out loud when they read this??You were all in, Donk, according to your post...What exact "back up plan" did you have???

[Davin 0]

chips counts and bet sizes would really help (even if they were just relavative) but if you really want your opponents to stop talking, QUIT BEING SO GODAWFUL EASY TO READlike, 5 out of 6 of your opponents put you on a weak hand and knew your friend was ahead. please change up your playing style, it's quite painful to read.here's the summary:your opponent overbet pfyou made a loose call w/ no overs to his pp (meaning you were a 4-1 dog)your opponent makes an atrocious bet on the flopyou make a huge donk raise, which you would definately not have made if you had hit the jackyour opponent makes a good call (even though it was coerced)you suck outis your name danny ngyuen by any chance?

[kcb 0]

so you closed the action pre flop?wouldnt that make you a blind, thus oop?

I was big blind, he was small.. Everyone folded around to him.. That's when he raised..

[kcb 0]

But I had a back-up plan if he did call..I actually think I made a good play.

Anyone else laugh out loud when they read this??You were all in, Donk, according to your post...What exact "back up plan" did you have???

My up and down straight draw, which I'm 5 to 1 to hit if he doesn't fold..Which isn't even the point, if you would pay attention...The point was, I felt going all-in, due to his weak bet, would push him off of his hand.. Ya know.. A semi-bluff, chap..The point of this thread was, everyone was goading him into calling, so he did..WTF is up with people..

[kcb 0]

chips counts and bet sizes would really help (even if they were just relavative) but if you really want your opponents to stop talking, QUIT BEING SO GODAWFUL EASY TO READlike, 5 out of 6 of your opponents put you on a weak hand and knew your friend was ahead. please change up your playing style, it's quite painful to read.here's the summary:your opponent overbet pfyou made a loose call w/ no overs to his pp (meaning you were a 4-1 dog)your opponent makes an atrocious bet on the flopyou make a huge donk raise, which you would definately not have made if you had hit the jackyour opponent makes a good call (even though it was coerced)you suck outis your name danny ngyuen by any chance?

Yes, the call was loose.. No one, including myself, is disputing that.You see, I'm not a professional by any means. I'm still very much learning.. I won't sh it you guys and say otherwise. I do think you all are being a little ridiculous, though. Lately I've been reading the Super System's book, which states that calling with suited connectors, when in position, is a good play occasionally, when you have a good read on your opponent. If the flop hits right, you stand to gain a huge chunk of their chips, if not all of it.I suppose I was just doing what I learned from that book.Didn't know this place was filled with such professionals.

[kcb 0]

Btw, there comments had nothing to do with their "reads" on me. I think they just wanted a call so one less person could be at the table, thus strengthening their chances that they'd make it to the money.

[Randy Reed 0]

I actually liked the comment....."Since when is poker a f ucking team game?" You're right, they had no business commenting on the hand, and that's as fine a response as any to curtail it.

[kcb 0]

I actually liked the comment....."Since when is poker a f ucking team game?" You're right, they had no business commenting on the hand, and that's as fine a response as any to curtail it.

Thank you. Not so much about agreeing that it was bad etiquette, but for at least focusing on the right part of the thread..

[Davin 0]

sorry if i was a lil assholish my last post, it just kinda annoys me when i read bad poker. but im glad your taking steps to improve your gameand yeah, if you post in a strat forum, you should expect to get feedback on the way you played your hand, regardless of what question you may be asking (otherwise, it'd be more suitable for general poker)believe me when in all earnest when i say i just want to help you improve your game. here's how i'd play the hand (post-flop)raise 4-5x on the flopbet 1/2-the entire pot on the turnplay the hand like you hold the jack. rarely is your opponent going to make 2 good calls in the same hand if he's under a lot of pressurebut for this hand, chip stacks and bet sizes are crucial to a good strategy discussion

[kcb 0]

sorry if i was a lil assholish my last post, it just kinda annoys me when i read bad poker. but im glad your taking steps to improve your gameand yeah, if you post in a strat forum, you should expect to get feedback on the way you played your hand, regardless of what question you may be asking (otherwise, it'd be more suitable for general poker)believe me when in all earnest when i say i just want to help you improve your game. here's how i'd play the hand (post-flop)raise 4-5x on the flopbet 1/2-the entire pot on the turnplay the hand like you hold the jack. rarely is your opponent going to make 2 good calls in the same hand if he's under a lot of pressurebut for this hand, chip stacks and bet sizes are crucial to a good strategy discussion

He had me covered, I remember.. I don't know exact amounts, though..I remember wanting to raise and thinking to myself (If I raise and he shows strength on the turn or I get a card that I don't like, I'm going to be crippled from here on out..)So my stack wasn't real strong at that point.. I had just called an all-in with my top pair and the other guy hit his draw, so I was getting sort of short..

[kcb 0]

Oh, and don't worry about being "assholish" or anything.. I don't take offense real easily and it appears that the mistake was mine anyway, as I posted this in the wrong forum.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Oh, and don't worry about being "assholish" or anything.. I don't take offense real easily and it appears that the mistake was mine anyway, as I posted this in the wrong forum.

Ah. I was about to make a post saying when the hell did strategy get so bad?In home games though, rules tend to be MORE enforced by what the will of the house is rather than perfect vegas rules. People that abide by the rules are cool, and people that nitpick, even if they nitpick with the truth, get made fun of....Stress can make people remember stuff in better detail (the quotes you referenced) AND people can get p!ssed off more win OR lose (because of the stress they sweated out of you in the hand).You're correct in that they were wrong to talk about the hand like that... but you were wrong too getting all mad at them. Maybe if you chuckled nervously about it, scooped your pot, and said "hey I thought it was one player to a hand, right?"

[Briguy 0]

These home games are more for fun than profit, I find. I don't care if everyone in the room is gathered behind a lone opponent, looking at his cards, looking at me, and making suggestions, because it makes it more fun...more of a party atmosphere.Besides, usually the advice given is contradictory and confusing, making your opponent's decision more difficult. Three people are going to have three different opinions on the strength of your hand (if all three are even thinking about your hand at all). Loosen up, have fun, and don't worry if the team occassionally reads you correctly. They just informed you that you need to tighten up for a while. Thanks, team!

[rog 0]

In a home game, I dont sweat this kind of stuff. As long as nobody brings up their folded cards, I'm happy. If it happens all the time but you only got upset because it happened to you in a critical spot, then you really have no right to complain.

[AceyDeucy 0]

You needed to be more polite about asking people not to coffeehouse during the hand. If the game stops being fun for everyone, the action dies out. Either put up with it, or find a polite or funny way to tell people to shut up. The sarcastic aggressive "since when is this a ****1ng team game?" only makes you the most recent *******.I agree with other players' comments on how you played the hand.

[kcb 0]

You needed to be more polite about asking people not to coffeehouse during the hand. If the game stops being fun for everyone, the action dies out. Either put up with it, or find a polite or funny way to tell people to shut up. The sarcastic aggressive "since when is this a censored team game?" only makes you the most recent censored.I agree with other players' comments on how you played the hand.

You know what, though? It's not like I'm asking people not to "coffeehouse" or whatever the hell you said. But again, no matter how lax the environment is, when is it ever correct to give the guy, who I put to a tough decision for a reason, advice or their "reads" to help him out?If they absolutely must talk about it, they could have at least done it quietly among each other, or preferably waited until after the hand. It's not like I'm trying to be a rules nazi for a homegame, but I also want to get better at the game of poker. It's not like I'm a professional here. When 3 or 4 brains are working against 1 other guy, it sort of makes it unfair.