river raise too sexy? or just right?

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Villian was a maniac.71.1/13.2/1.95 over 50 hands.Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is Button with 3:diamond:, A:heart:. 2 folds, Hero calls, SB calls.Flop: (9 SB) 5:diamond:, A:club:, 4:diamond: (3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls.Turn: (5.50 BB) J:heart: (2 players)BB bets, Hero calls.River: (7.50 BB) J:spade: (2 players)BB betsThoughts?

[akishore 0]

personally i think it's absolutely horrendous.oh wait, i missed the maniac part.it depends on what / how much they call you with that you beat.aseem

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Given that villain is a maniac...I'm pretty sure that's the best way to play it against a psycho.If it ended up being too sexy...I think I'd ask myself what a maniac check/calls the flop with after 3-betting preflop.Does he gaybet a set on the turn?

[pokerplayer24 0]

Don't like it at all. Even vs a maniac. You're getting 3 bet by a Jack and splitting with any A.

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Don't like it at all.  Even vs a maniac.  You're getting 3 bet by a Jack and splitting with any A.

I'm losing to any ace besides A2.What about KK,QQ, and TT-66?

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Don't like it at all.  Even vs a maniac.  You're getting 3 bet by a Jack and splitting with any A.

I'm losing to any ace besides A2.What about KK,QQ, and TT-66?

Don't forget JJ for that matter.EDIT: uh-oh. I think I figured it out. Oops. I hate how epiphanies always come AFTER you click the button.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Don't like it at all.  Even vs a maniac.  You're getting 3 bet by a Jack and splitting with any A.

I'm losing to any ace besides A2.What about KK,QQ, and TT-66?

My mistake you're right. Splitting with A2A3, A4, A5. Losing to the rest. a mid pp is quite possible just does. The J river really makes me wonder. A donk with JK or JQ who 3 bet would probly bet out at that turn and then hit trips on the river and fire again. Vs a maniac who plays that many hands and raises that many he can really have anything I would think. Just seems like a tight spot to get fancy

[Briguy 0]

It doesn't look like an A to me. It looks like you reeled in a big one with your turn possum. That said:It depends on his W%SD, I think. Which is difficult to get a handle on after only 50 hands. I'd be tempted to try the sexy there, too, if villian's W%SD was below 55ish% (preferably below 45%), and I had confidence in the sample size. Otherwise, I'd just call, because if villian knows how to fold the river with KK-66, you're not getting much value on the raise, and getting 3-bet by a decent post-flop player would suck.

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Ok. My thinking during this hand was that there's no way this maniac is just check/calling a big ace on this flop, unless he has AA.So I immediately put him on a pp, or something like KQ/KJ.When he bet the turn, I felt he was looking for a cheap way to get away from a pp if I raised, or maybe he got excited when he saw he had a straight draw with KQ. A raise would cause him to give up on most of these hands, but a call would probably induce a bluff from him on the river. If he had a made hand like a pp, it would be hard for him to get away for 1 more bet on the river if I raise. People call with all kinds of trash at 6-max.Of course, he could also have AA/JJ, or a big ace, and be playing very strangely. The likelyhood of this is relatively small, and not something I was concerned about.Anyway, he called my raise, and mucked 88.I love six max.

[Briguy 0]

From that play, I'd guess his W%SD is somewhere around 30%. NH.

[Sysvr4 0]

Frankly, I like it. I've taken much more often to letting LAGs and maniacs bet into me the whole way and just calling down with what I'm almost certain is the best hand. When I don't raise, they figure it's good to keep betting.But then you get to the river and, in general, I'm reluctant to raise a river without being REAL sure I'm best. But I think a good line against maniacs with hands like this is:call, call, raise/callBecause they'll often call for one more bet with a worse hand on the river but they'll give up and fold on an earlier street. That your thinking here screech?Jeff

[DCWildcat 0]

His stats don't indicate a maniac. He's loose enough to qualify, but he needs to be raising WAY more PF to take this kind of a read. 13% is pretty much normal for 6-max.I like a river call.

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His stats don't indicate a maniac. He's loose enough to qualify, but he needs to be raising WAY more PF to take this kind of a read. 13% is pretty much normal for 6-max.I like a river call.

It was only his pfr% stats that weren't maniacal. His VPIP and AF was.

Because they'll often call for one more bet with a worse hand on the river but they'll give up and fold on an earlier street.

Pretty much.Most players have a hard a much harder time getting away from a river raise than a turn raise.

[DCWildcat 0]

True, his AF is super high. I don't hate a river raise here, actually...ME HATE DONKBETS

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ME HATE DONKBETS

:-) ME DONKEYS