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#1 Mattnxtc

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Posted 24 October 2005 - 11:33 PM

bodog 1/2 ugt+1 dealt 7 :D 7 :D i raise, both blinds callflop: 3 :) 5 :club: 3 :) sb checks, bb checks, i bet, sb folds, bb raises, I 3bet, bb caps, i callon bodog but if i had to estimate bb vpip is around 70
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Posted 24 October 2005 - 11:57 PM

Too much aggression? Very possibly...if I had to guess I'd say BB hit some sort of a big blind special with a 3 in his hand. A player with that high of a VP$IP could very easily call a raise out of the BB with a 3. I'd lean towards calling the raise on the flop and folding the turn UI.
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Posted 25 October 2005 - 12:04 AM

pf: Why raise 77 from UTG+1 ?Flop: call raiseCall down.

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 03:01 AM

Actuary said:

pf: Why raise 77 from UTG+1 ?Flop: call raiseCall down.
Raising 77 UTG depends on table conditions. If you tend to get 3-4 cold callers, don't do it. I agree with calling the flop raise. I pop the turn.

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 07:41 AM

If you're gonna fold the turn unimproved isn't it correct to fold to the cap?

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 07:57 AM

screech said:

Actuary said:

pf: Why raise 77 from UTG+1 ?Flop: call raiseCall down.
Raising 77 UTG depends on table conditions. If you tend to get 3-4 cold callers, don't do it. I agree with calling the flop raise. I pop the turn.
and then call down to a 3-bet?or get a 5 to fold ??We can't rep a 3 given our pf raiseHe's not riasing for a free card.Why raise? To fold overs?thanks!

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 08:19 AM

normally i dont raise this...but as i try to get some semblence of my game back i thoguht id experiment and see. Also based on table play i had raised other hands and when i missed since i showed aggression preflop i was getting people to fold. the turn did improve me and i took down his BB special
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Posted 25 October 2005 - 08:55 AM

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Why raise? To fold overs?
Bingo.If we're 3-bet we can release the hand as long as we're not up against a tricky opponent. If we are up against a tricky opponent, we should not raise the turn.

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 09:42 AM

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Why raise? To fold overs?
Bingo.If we're 3-bet we can release the hand as long as we're not up against a tricky opponent. If we are up against a tricky opponent, we should not raise the turn.
I gotta start adding this kinda thing to my arsenal!

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 09:47 AM

Mattnxtc said:

normally i dont raise this...but as i try to get some semblence of my game back i thoguht id experiment and see. Also based on table play i had raised other hands and when i missed since i showed aggression preflop i was getting people to fold.  the turn did improve me and i took down his BB special
so he had the 3 then?Calling the cap and folding the turn unimproved arent you better off to just fold to the cap? Calling .5bb into 6.5 bb for a 1 in 23.5 chance of hitting.1 times you win we'll say 3 additional bets so 9.5bb22.5 times you lose .5 bb or 11.25 Or am I wrong?

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 09:48 AM

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Why raise? To fold overs?
Bingo.If we're 3-bet we can release the hand as long as we're not up against a tricky opponent. If we are up against a tricky opponent, we should not raise the turn.
you think overs cap the flop?What overs cap this flop that don't raise pf?What straight forward player/hand caps the flop and folds to a turn 3-bet?thanks

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 09:53 AM

When this flop is capped you have to know you're drawing to 2 outs. I mean unless the player is a maniac he has to have at the very least a pp bigger then yours and at the most trip 3s or a full house.




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