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[AshleyC]

I usually play tournaments but have started on cash games recently. Tonight, I sat down at a $0.25 / $0.5 blinds NL online table and second hand got Queens in mid position. The player to my immediate left raised it to $1, I re-raised to $3. A player to my right called this re-raise and then it was folded around to the original raiser who went all in for about $50. This was about as much as I had. I folded, this was partly due to the presence of the player after me to act. Had he not been there I may have been tempted to call. What are your thoughts on this? If there had not been an addional player to act, would you call an all in pre flop with queens in a cash game? I had just sat down and so had no info on the player. The additional player also folded and so I did not see what the player had.

[Davin]

AshleyC said:

I usually play tournaments but have started on cash games recently. Tonight, I sat down at a $0.25 / $0.5 blinds NL online table and second hand got Queens in mid position. The player to my immediate left raised it to $1, I re-raised to $3. A player to my right called this re-raise and then it was folded around to the original raiser who went all in for about $50. This was about as much as I had. I folded, this was partly due to the presence of the player after me to act. Had he not been there I may have been tempted to call. What are your thoughts on this? If there had not been an addional player to act, would you call an all in pre flop with queens in a cash game? I had just sat down and so had no info on the player. The additional player also folded and so I did not see what the player had.

you need to lay this hand down. you're looking at strength, and w/ no reads, i'd play this hand conservatively and fold

[WonderfulSplash]

Without a read you have to fold here, regardless of the person to act behind you.

[Actuary]

nh

[DrZebra]

First of all you're in a .25/.5 NL game (which is something of a tell.)Then you get a clown raise from mid-position and a cold caller of your reraise also from mid position.There is no way in hell the guy to your right has one of the two hands beating you, because each of those hands wants isolation. The guy on your left moved into a 6 dollar pot or so and likely has a small pp. I would say call this if it's not your last 50 dollars.

[Chief]

nh, very easy fold with no info on the opponent

[AshleyC]

Thanks for the advice so far. I've been thinking some more about it and using some theory from Harrington I'd say his possible holdings were:AA: 20%KK: 20%AK: 30%lower PP: 30%Looking at the probability of winning each of these showdowns gives:AA: 20% x 20% = 4%KK: 20% x 20% = 4%AK: 30% x 57% = 17%Lower PP: 30% x 80% = 24%Added up gives 49%! So a very close decision. I suppose that at these low limts while trying to build a bankroll I prefer to take margins at smaller amounts and try to outplay opponents on the flop rather than take coin flips against unknown opponents. I'm happy with the fold.

[akishore]

DrZebra said:

First of all you're in a .25/.5 NL game (which is something of a tell.)Then you get a clown raise from mid-position and a cold caller of your reraise also from mid position.There is no way in hell the guy to your right has one of the two hands beating you, because each of those hands wants isolation. The guy on your left moved into a 6 dollar pot or so and likely has a small pp. I would say call this if it's not your last 50 dollars.

i disagree strongly.in my experience, by far the most common player profile is the person who min raises in early position with A-A, hoping to thin the field "just a little" while keeping customers in (Chief can elaborate... :-) ). when they are reraised, they cream their pants and push all-in.aseem

[Captain_Walt]

Agree with aseem 100%... min raise - reraise all in or limp -reraise all in can be fairly certain is AA KK for the reasons aseem has listed.

[DrZebra]

The man said it--he's trying to build a BR at NL50--so fine fold your marginal decision. (but I would've rated AK much lower than 30% by the way, but whatever.)It is correct that it is a classic big-tabled AA move to limp-reraise big or clown raise-reraise big, however, I just can't see that being the case at a .25/.5 NL table. Even a raise to 2 or 3 seems soft. I'm sorry to say it, but the stakes matter, it's not just the number of BB's. I'd call anything under 300 in that situation because I'd say it's better than 50% he has a pp less than QQ and the guy on your right is out. .60 * .80 = .48+ .40 * .20 = .08------------------------a whopping 56%certainly good enough for calling 47 into a 56 dollar pot.

[DrZebra]

The man said it--he's trying to build a BR at NL50--so fine fold your marginal decision. (but I would've rated AK much lower than 30% by the way, but whatever.)It is correct that it is a classic big-tabled AA move to limp-reraise big or clown raise-reraise big, however, I just can't see that being the case at a .25/.5 NL table. Even a raise to 2 or 3 seems soft. I'm sorry to say it, but the stakes matter, it's not just the number of BB's. I'd call anything under 300 in that situation because I'd say it's better than 50% he has a pp less than QQ and the guy on your right is out. .60 * .80 = .48+ .40 * .20 = .08------------------------a whopping 56%certainly good enough for calling 47 into a 56 dollar pot.

[Egarim]

Captain_Walt said:

Agree with aseem 100%... min raise - reraise all in or limp -reraise all in can be fairly certain is AA KK for the reasons aseem has listed.

and at worst he has ak...

[Swift_Psycho]

Chief said:

very easy fold with no info on the opponent