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[stonecoldnuts]

I just wanted to get everyone's opinion on my 2-4 and 3-6 bm strategy. At a certain indian casino at new york state i have never lost money. I sit down at 2-4 or 3-6 and within the first 5 hands or so i realize there is no threat of a pre-flop raise at the table. Based on this information I loosen up my starting hand requirements quite a bit. Then I get criticized by the table for winning pots with hands I shouldn't be playing. One person told me "he didn't think it was the player" implying i was lucky to win the pots I was winning. This was 2 hands after I laid down trips to a straight that got there. I bet he couldn't have done that. Anyways my contention is that if you allow me to see the flop free or cheap, then it's your own fault if I start to drag pot after pot. for example i will play most connectors 6 or higher suited or unsuited depending on position. I'll play every pair. I'll also play ace anything suited and ace ten or higher suited or not. I always limp unless I have a big pocket pair or big slick. I always bet the flop right out if I raised pre-flop.Then if I hit the flop I'll pound it. If I don't I toss the hand. Anyways I just wanted everyones opinion on my thinking...whether it's correct or I'm just a lucky idiot. thanks

[MrConceit]

stonecoldnuts said:

I just wanted to get everyone's opinion on my 2-4 and 3-6 bm strategy.  At a certain indian casino at new york state i have never lost money.  I sit down at 2-4 or 3-6 and within the first 5 hands or so i realize there is no threat of a pre-flop raise at the table.  Based on this information I loosen up my starting hand requirements quite a bit.  Then I get criticized by the table for winning pots with hands I shouldn't be playing.  One person told me "he didn't think it was the player" implying i was lucky to win the pots I was winning.  This was 2 hands after I laid down trips to a straight that got there.  I bet he couldn't have done that.  Anyways my contention is that if you allow me to see the flop free or cheap, then it's your own fault if I start to drag pot after pot.  for example i will play most connectors 6 or higher suited or unsuited depending on position. I'll play every pair.  I'll also play ace anything suited and ace ten or higher suited or not.  I always limp unless I have a big pocket pair or big slick.  I always bet the flop right out if I raised pre-flop.Then if I hit the flop I'll pound it.  If I don't I toss the hand.  Anyways I just wanted everyones opinion on my thinking...whether it's correct or I'm just a lucky idiot.  thanks

I think you're utterly on. If you're in a loose-passive table where tons of people are seeing every flop, and no preflop raising, you SHOULD be playing all PPs and all suited connectors from every position. Thank them when they give you "advice" and tell them you're still learning. Or you're sorry but you came to GAMBLE! Those kinds of things would work I'd think. :)Oh, and like the second time I ever played live I was playing 3/6. I was button (or maybe CO), and like literally every person limped. I have 57 off and I'm like, this table is insane. I think I'll see the flop and see if I get a straight draw for THIS kind of price. So the flop comes down Q55 and I end up winning a monster pot vs KQ (and tons of people called flop and some turn). The whole table was amazed at my horrible play. It was most fun. Now I'm not saying that 57 off isn't an amazingly marginal call, but laugh 7 people limping in front of me.

[JFarrell20]

Your strategy sounds like it works against old people playing with their retirement money in some indian casino, but online, you better bring your "A" game.

[MrConceit]

JFarrell20 said:

Your strategy sounds like it works against old people playing with their retirement money in some indian casino, but online, you better bring your "A" game.

I know what you mean -- But this IS an "A" game for uberloose very passive tables. You don't just wait for AA/KK/AK suited. You limp it up with small and mid PPs and suited connectors and Ax suited. If you don't flop a strong draw, a set, or a ridiculously rare two pair/trips you fold the flop. But the pots where you do flop something solid, you stand to potentially win a monster pot from the calling stations.Online, typically you only see tables like this at .5/1. But sometimes tables morph into this in random places. I've seen tables in 15/30 and 2/4 and 3/6 where suddenly like 7 or more people are seeing flops a lot. It's rare perhaps, but you should know how to adapt when you see it.

[JFarrell20]

I'm saying at 2/4 or 3/6 online, he'd better bring his "A" game.More people in casino's are old folks who are bored and are paying to have fun. People on the internet are not bored old people. Bring your "A" game to the net. Bring your "A" game to both frankly. Just don't get in a bad habit at a B&M room, b/c once you come back to the net, it won't be the same.

[UglyJimStudly]

JFarrell20 said:

More people in casino's are old folks who are bored and are paying to have fun. People on the internet are not bored old people. Bring your "A" game to the net. Bring your "A" game to both frankly.

Your "A" game is the one that works. He found a way to beat predictable passive-loose players, so good for him. Internet games are usually full of tight predictable players, which is just a different pattern to crack.Audience at casinos varies from area to area. At my local casino, the lowest limit tables (2/4) are often played by university students who learned online, so the audience is much the same as on the 'net. Lots of tight book players who are pretty easy to read and pretty easy to bluff, but small pots so it's a bit of a grind.

[JFarrell20]

Sure, he brought his A game in the sense that he got the most for his money, but I'm just saying, don't fall into bad habits against bad players. This could hurt your true A-game.At the casino's in Louisianna its typically old retired folks with nothing better to do or young white trash with tank tops on who think TPTK is good.I wear a wife-beater and bi-focals to fit in.

[stonecoldnuts]

i just do it different....for example i know enough to always leave myself outs in a tougher game...like a redraw for a flush heads up with the nut straight and your lone opponent has the same hand. it's a free roll for his half of the pot. anyways all i was getting at before was whether i deserved to be made fun of by the losers.

[CardKillah]

I think the important thing is obviously to know the differences in the games you're in. Game selection is obviously a crucial part to playing. It's no secret in the lower limits people with chase with almost anything. In a game at I played locally, a 1-2, and 2-4 game, people with stay in with any ace, and anything suited. Man, I love it. Just sit back, and play your A game all the time. Because, if it's worth your time, it's with your best effort, regardless if you're playing in the WSOP, or a .25/.50 game online.... Personally, I think if you get accustomed to the way some people "play" at the lower limits, it gets harder to fix leaks in your game as you move up in limits....

[Smasharoo]

Personally, I think if you get accustomed to the way some people "play" at the lower limits, it gets harder to fix leaks in your game as you move up in limits....That's crap.Poker is about beating the game you're sitting at the moment for the most money. If you know there're going to be 8 limpers to the flop most of the time playing 22 from UTG is a great idea.Playing optimally based on game conditions isn't a leak.

[Awful]

Smash, that's contingent on you knowing why you make the play and how it derives value. The potential for leaks is not in optimizing your game for the situation, but it's there when you can't distinguish between what is "proper poker" and what is an adjustment to weak game conditions. Your reasoning is sound when dealing with people who have spent more on books than bankroll, but a lot of beginners if not given the right frame of thinking will develop bad habits that are value plays at low-limits and sucker plays at higher ones.Of course, if you try to play by rote without understanding, you deserve to lose anyways.