river mistake (lhe)

[econ_tim 0]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converterPreflop: econ_tim is Button with Q:club:, K:club:. 2 folds, CO calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) 6:diamond:, T:heart:, J:spade: (2 players)CO checks, econ_tim bets, CO calls.Turn: (6.75 BB) J:diamond: (2 players)CO checks, econ_tim bets, CO calls.River: (8.75 BB) J:club: (2 players)CO checks, econ_tim checks.Final Pot: 8.75 BBbet bet bet bet bet bet bet bet bet bet!aargh

[screech 0]

Tim,you don't beat anything he could possibly have on the river.Given the way this hand played out, I think villian either has AK/AQ, a mid pp, or maybe A6.If he's called all the way with a pair, he's not going anywhere.He'll have AK/AQ roughly half the time based on card combinations.What you have to decide is how likely he is to play AK/AQ this way, and how likely he is to fold these hands.I think he'll fold an unpaired ace (and occasionally a weak pair) often enough to make betting profitable.

[Sysvr4 0]

I'm checking the turn, too. You have very little fold equity on someone who c/r'ed the flop. If he just called the flop, I'll fire anouther shell on the turn.Jeff

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Just out of curiosity...Why are we 3-betting the flop over a check/raise?Do 8 + 6 outs mean we have equity over one pair, and what are Villain's checkraising hands heads up?

[screech 0]

what are Villain's checkraising hands heads up?

This is important.If he won't c/r without top or middle pair, the turn bet is a spew.

[Sysvr4 0]

Just out of curiosity...Why are we 3-betting the flop over a check/raise?

I like it only to get a free card on the turn. Tim evidently hates free stuff tho :)Jeff

[econ_tim 0]

you don't beat anything he could possibly have on the river.

If I can get him to fold A-high 1 out of 8 times, it's worth betting the river.

[screech 0]

you don't beat anything he could possibly have on the river.

If I can get him to fold A-high 1 out of 8 times, it's worth betting the river.

Tim,Reread my post. I said you should probably bet because of the chance you are up agianst A high. Of course this depends on your opponent, and how often he'd play AK/AQ this way, and how often he'd call on the river with these hands UI.

[econ_tim 0]

Reread my post.

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[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

I still think the flop 3-bet isn't particularly great.It smells a little like a spew to me.If you checked through the turn for free, that's different... but I ask again, why are you 3-betting the flop?

[econ_tim 0]

I still think the flop 3-bet isn't particularly great.It smells a little like a spew to me.If you checked through the turn for free, that's different... but I ask again, why are you 3-betting the flop?

Why does villain check/raise the flop?Does he do it with a good hand or a bad hand?If villain has some marginal hand that beats me like 88 or Ax, I want him to fold it.

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Why does villain check/raise the flop? Does he do it with a good hand or a bad hand? If villain has some marginal hand that beats me like 88 or Ax, I want him to fold it.

Either way, do you read that you're ahead on the turn?I think you should check the turn to see if you can improve, and if not, fold the river to a bet.

[pokerplayer24 0]

With that board any pp is calling you. And I think A high has to call you here as well. Can you fold A high 1 in 8... most likely. But how often is he going to have A high here. AK is capping this preflop same with AQ. I just don't see someone folding A high with a JJJxx board here.