good call or spewage?(lhe)

[sirliej 0]

A few things, I had just bluffed this guy off a pot the previous hand.He was fairly new to the table,so not much on reads, but has played and shown down a few junk hands.Also, sorry, no converter for Poker Room, but I tried to clean it up..50/$1 LimitButton called.I completed from the small blind with 10hJd.BB checked.FLOP [board cards 9S,QS,3H ]Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks.Should I bet the flop here?TURN [board cards 9S,QS,3H,6S ]Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks.RIVER [board cards 9S,QS,3H,6S,KD ]Hero bets $1, BB folds, Button bets $2, Hero calls $1.Any insight, or flames, appreciated.Thanks

[Actuary 3]

well played.am I right..u made a str8 on a 3-flush board?It's Definitely not spewing.I wouldn't bet the flop either.I'd kinda like BB too; though, and Button to call.nh.Really standard, imo.maybe I missed something.ps: if button made flush...He really misplayed his hand, not you.

[screech 0]

I wouldn't bet the flop either.

Why not?

I'd kinda like BB too; though, and Button to call.

Why?

maybe I missed something.

Flop bet :-)

Any insight, or flames, appreciated. Thanks

No spewage here. If anything, you underspewed(?).It's hard for me to see button checking the turn with the flush, so I probably 3-bet the river. That's how you spew.

[Actuary 3]

I wouldn't bet the flop either.

Why not?

I'd kinda like BB too; though, and Button to call.

Why?

maybe I missed something.

Flop bet :-)

Well, Screech.. ( can I call you Screech ? ) if you don't understand this, I can't help you. Sure, we're probably up against some weak hands here given pf lack-of-raise from open-limp Button. But we have 8 outs, maybe 6, to nuts.Against 2 opponents. I don't want BB to raise and get HU in a small pot with a drawing hand. I might c/r a BB bet and Button call, though. I don't like that I have no Spade for re-draw protection.

[screech 0]

Actuary,A bet on the flop will take this pot down enough to make the semi-bluff profitable.

Sure, we're probably up against some weak hands here given pf lack-of-raise from open-limp Button

The last person I expect to raise here is BB since he has two random cards (so they probably don't contain a Q/J).Why on earth are you concerned about BB? And why wouldn't you be able to call me screech? :?

[Abbaddabba 0]

If the button made a flush on the turn, he's an idiot. Any way you put it, he's an idiot, unless he has the same hand as you. That's the only hand that has any business checking behind on the turn and raising this river is if he has the same hand you have, or if he limped with something stupid like a suited krablar.

[Actuary 3]

Actuary,A bet on the flop will take this pot down enough to make the semi-bluff profitable.

I'm not worried aobut BB.I'm interested in not being HU with a draw in a small pot.Maybe a bet takes it down.most of my games, someone bets this flop and I draw with 2 others, for 2 bets now. Honestly, I"m not vehement about it. I'd think checking, hoping to c/r, or betting out are close enough.

And why wouldn't you be able to call me screech? :?

it's a joke we have here in the states.

[screech 0]

it's a joke we have here in the states.

****ing states. Never letting canadians in on the joke...

[akishore 0]

it's not so clear as "bet the flop" or "check the flop".in weak/tight games, i'll bet the flop. not for value, but as a semi-bluff and to maintain a LAG image if the opponents are paying attention.(holy shit, i had SUCH an insane maniacal image last night when i was doing a 2/4 three-handed table for a good hour. i lost sooo much on hands where it looked like i spewed, naturally, i expected to be paid like a madman whenever i hit, but i got cold-carded so viciously. whenever i got a hand, they went fold-fold and i win $5. soooo sad. what's funny is that i made it all back on suckouts rather than on getting paid. yep, i'm a fish, baby... )in loose/passive ones, there's no reason to bet the flop. i c/c. you don't even have an equity edge three-way.aseem

[Actuary 3]

in loose/passive ones, there's no reason to bet the flop. i c/c. you don't even have an equity edge three-way.aseem

yes you do.

[Abbaddabba 0]

I check/call.I'd rather take a free turn than bet into people who will check/call with any pair.If one person calls your bet with a pair, you dont have an equity edge. Only if you get everyone calling do you have an edge, and when you do, it's small.Also, if someone else takes control of the hand and you complete your draw, you can pull off a nice checkraise when the 8 hits since it's not at all a scare card.

[akishore 0]

in loose/passive ones, there's no reason to bet the flop. i c/c. you don't even have an equity edge three-way.aseem

yes you do.

we do, huh?you sure?aseem

[Actuary 3]

in loose/passive ones, there's no reason to bet the flop. i c/c. you don't even have an equity edge three-way.aseem

yes you do.

we do, huh?you sure?aseem

We're up against 2 random hands.I really think we win > 33% of the time.Not much more; but a little.Our oesd alone gets us almost there!Yes, I'm sure we have >33% equity. :shock:

[akishore 0]

google this:(8/47) + (39/47 * 8/46)i'm pretty sure you know what it represents. :-) aseem

[akishore 0]

okay, i see what you' rethinking."we're up against two random hands, so if i put JTo into pokerstove on a flop of Q93, we have an equity edge."but... not every random hand is calling.if a hand is calling, it usually means our equity is much lower than it is against one or two "random hands".unless you think J-high will be good at showdown, we're going only by our open-ended straight draw here, which in itself doesn't have an equity edge.aseem

[Abbaddabba 0]

Yeah, like he said.You have an equity edge against the field, but you wont have an equity edge against would-be callers. That isnt to say that you only get called by pairs. It just means that pairs _always_ call, and the hands that should be rightfully folding almost always do (or at least often enough that it's not a viable value bet). Ace high quite often calls here too, and rightfully so given what you have.You also occasionally get raised and isolated by the raiser. You dont want that.The issue is that you get called enough that taking the pot down right there is extremely improbable, but you dont get called down by enough hands that your bet can be for value.