hanski 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Ok, there we go. was havin some converter trouble at first. anywaysVillian is strange. Plays aggressively whether he has anything or not. Thought he might be tilting, then changed my mind to "he is retard". Called down with Q high, K high etc.Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is Button with [Ah], [Ac]. UTG raises, UTG calls, CO calls.Flop: (10.50 SB) [4s], [Kh], [5h] (3 players)UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, CO calls.Turn: (6.25 BB) [4d] (2 players)CO bets, Hero calls.River: (12.25 BB) [9s] (2 players)CO bets...Final Pot: 14.25 BBThe turn donk bet I don't believe. The 4 probably didn't help him, and he's aggressive enough to try to make a move and take the pot when he thinks I didn't connect with the board. So I raise for value.Well getting 3-bet I didn't exactly want. It looks suspiciously like a slowplayed set or caught trips. I don't put it past him to play a FD like this either though in hopes I fold right there. I'm hoping he has just a strong king.The pot's pretty big and he's real lag, so call a river bet and bet a river check right? Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Hanski,That 4 is actually a very good turn card for you.I would cap the turn given your read on villian. If villian leads the river, call.If he checks, bet/call. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 I cap the turn, and raise the river.Smells like a K for the villain. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 I cap the turn, and raise the river.Smells like a K for the villain.Are you folding to a river 3-bet? Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Are you folding to a river 3-bet?Nope.A cap might be dicey, but it's an option.I'm not folding though. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest XXEddie Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 .....you dont wanna raise, cause pretty much every hand that has you beat is 3-betting, and everything weaker is only callingcall 3-bet on turn, call rivernh Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Hmmmm... I'm not so sure I want to cap the turn.I don't think a recently counterfeited two pair 3-bets this turn.I say good turn raise, call the 3-bet, and call the river UI.But I'm a .50/1 baller, so I could be wrong about not raising the river. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 I don't see why someone with a set is betting out at this turn. I'm capping this turn. I mean what pair is he raising with preflop from utg. KK he's capping this. And hes not raising 55 from utg. This really seems like a badly played mid pp, AK or KQ. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Hmmmm... I'm not so sure I want to cap the turn.I don't think a recently counterfeited two pair 3-bets this turn.I say good turn raise, call the 3-bet, and call the river UI.But I'm a .50/1 baller, so I could be wrong about not raising the river.TJ,The recently counterfeited 2 pair would be K5. This beats any AK/KQ hand. It's obvious we don't have a four, and AK/KQ is more likely than AA/KK.Would you 3-bet the turn with K5? I know I would. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 the guy raised from UTG. He doesn't have K5. Or I think we have to at least assume that much. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 the guy raised from UTG. He doesn't have K5. Or I think we have to at least assume that much.UTG raised. CO cold-called.Villian is CO. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 O my mistake, misread.Still how likely is it that villain cold called with K5, i think the only likely hands could be 55, or some sort of K that includes KQ KJ K10. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 TJ, The recently counterfeited 2 pair would be K5. This beats any AK/KQ hand. It's obvious we don't have a four, and AK/KQ is more likely than AA/KK. Would you 3-bet the turn with K5? I know I would.Sometimes I have trouble pulling the trigger with AA on the turn. In a situation like this I think the only thing we could be worried about here are sets, so yeah, I guess the cap is a good call.Do you still cap the turn if the flop is K-T-4 or K-J-4 or something like that? Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Do you still cap the turn if the flop is K-T-4 or K-J-4 or something like that?So does the turn read K-T-4-4?If so, I'd be more inclined to cap these turns than the one in OP's hand. It is much more likely for villian to call 2 cold PF with KJ/KT than K5.I think villian could be overplaying a lone king often enough on the turn to make capping profitable. Link to post Share on other sites
hanski 0 Posted October 20, 2005 Author Share Posted October 20, 2005 I agree with screech, based on my reads I think I could have capped the turn or raised the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 To me, this looks like A/4s or AK more than anything else. Other possible but unlikely hand combinations include 5/5 and KQ. With that in mind, i probably cap and call if he leads the river, bet if he checks, and call the check/raise as i wind up to punch the wall.Of course, if your read is:"Villian is strange. Plays aggressively whether he has anything or not. Thought he might be tilting, then changed my mind to "he is retard". Called down with Q high, K high etc. "Why not raise the river too?If he's a complete retard, go to town. Link to post Share on other sites
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