free card, or bet?

[Actuary 3]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Actuary is MP3 with J:spade:, Q:heart:. 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (5 SB) T:club:, 6:heart:, 3:heart: (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls.Turn: (5.50 BB) 9:spade: (3 players)SB checks, MP2 checks, Actuary....?I know pf limp is light.Trust me, I got post flop skillz. :wink: How bout turn?some outs, Bet or Free card?comment on flop..too..thanksSB: is Standard, Semi-Loose, pretty passive pre and postMP2: is Loose Agg Pre, Ave Agg Psot

[Davin 0]

checkagainst 1 opponent, bet, but with two in the hand (esp. one who has cold called two bets), it's much safer to check. you're rarely gonna win the hand outright w/ a bet at these stakes. it's never good to put money into a hand that you're behind in unless you think you can drive better hands out. you could be facing a c/r, and would have to put 2bb in when you coulda peeled off one for free

[jayboogie 0]

I don't know what your trying to accomplish here with this hand. PF is marginal and I guess you could play it if you wanted. I'd fold the flop and be done with the hand already. I'm not sure what your raising for, but if it's for a free card, it's an easy check on the turn. If you were trying to steal the pot, you obviously bet, but you should have folded the flop.

[Actuary 3]

How many outs would u give me on the flop?Do I not have equity to bet the turn with oesd and two overs?just for sake of discussion.

[Davin 0]

none of your outs are entirely clean. j-10, q-10 are both highly playable hands. but 5 if you're not sharing. however, even if you pair up on the turn, there's still the heart draw to worry about. you're basically looking to both make a pair AND for no other hands to improve by the river. seriously, you shoulda folded the flop.if you're up against a flush draw and a pair, which is the most likely scenerio in this hand, you're equity is 24%. if both players simply hold pairs, you're just barely 1 in 3. so no, you dont have equity enough to make a bet, esp since you dont know what outs are clean

[Actuary 3]

if you're up against a flush draw and a pair, which is the most likely scenerio in this hand

not at these stakes.

[Sushiman 0]

I would most certainly not be raising that flop. All you have are two weak overcard draws. Even if you hit top pair on the turn there are numerous redraws against you hand. Considering your weak position and the small size of the pot, I would fold the flop. However, I think you need to bet this turn. A check here screams freecard play and you will not likely see the river for free. So bet because you might get fold equity from mediocore hands or low flush draws, and have a good number of outs against a checkraise.

[jayboogie 0]

You can't really calculate outs considering your against a large field with unknown hands. None of your outs are perfectly clean unless you include your runner runner straight draw that's not a heart or running Ace and King of hearts.On the turn, with the way you played this hand, I'd fire at the turn and fire at the river as well hit or miss if the river looks like it missed their hands. ie. heart, 7, 8 that fills a 1 card straight.

[akishore 0]

i believe this is misplaced aggression on the flop, and i don't think it's that close of a decision.bad raise. all you have are two overcards, estimated at maybe 2.5 outs, because you also don't have the Jh. add maybe 2.5 outs for your runner runner draws, and a 5-outter is not worth it.this is a small pot dude. let it go. you can hit an overcard and still lose to a straight or flush or two pair.the way you played it, i'd fire on the turn. you can buy yourself some clean(er) overcard outs by doing so.aseem

[screech 0]

Actuary,the preflop limp was fine.Your flop play was pretty bad.You have 1.5 outs to the third nut bd flush. 1.5 outs for a straight draw. And maybe 3 outs total for your overcards.That's 6 outs.The problem is that you can still make either your bd straight and bd flush draws and lose. Also, if you pair the turn, an overcard can outdraw you, as well as any flush, pair, or straight. I think your overcard outs are probably worth only 2 outs, and your bd draws combined worth maybe 1.5 outs.Pot is small, let it go.

[Actuary 3]

ok.So it looks like everyone agrees that the flop was palyed perfectly. Is it Fold >>>>>> Raise > Call ?

[screech 0]

Is it Fold >>>>>> Raise > Call ?

Yep.I think if you're going to play it, you should at least raise to clean up some of your overs.

[Actuary 3]

Yep.you should raise to clean up some of your overs.

thanks Screech.I knew I'd find support for my flop aggression.I cleaned your post up, to save space!

[rog 0]

Preflop is close. I fold this. QJo is a hand I usually only play from CO through BB. For the record, at one point I realized that outside of the blinds, MP3 was the only position I was losing money in. I stopped playing little offsuit broadway and low suited connectors from MP3, and within 1k hands I was profitable at MP3 again. Flop is not even close. You have 3-5 outs at most, and the pot is small. Fold. Given that you posted dead money to give yourself odds to chase, free card. You really think a bet wins it right now? You need 16 outs and both callers for a bet to be for value on your draw unless you're thinking Q-high has a shot. What's your thinking on betting here?

[screech 0]

I cleaned your post up, to save space!

8)

[Actuary 3]

What's your thinking on betting here?

I did bet the turn.my thinking: ????"I've been running good at .5/1.Watch me work my magic.Either they fold, or I catch an offsuit K on the River... just watch me work baybee."SB c/r me.River blanked.

[akishore 0]

just as a side note...backdoor ONE-card flush draws are a LOT weaker than backdoor two-card ones.especially when they're to the third nuts.aseem