PoppinFresh 0 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Not my hand, I feel like there's a clearly right play here though and want to know what it is :-) .5/1 on Pokerstars.Hero has KK in MP, folded to hero who raises to $4, both blinds call.Flop: 3 3 5 rainbow.sb immediately pushes for $53, bb folds. What does hero do?Villian is 24% VP$IP, post flop AF of 1.8. Hero said villain was pretty solid, and this was his first maniac-style move, so I'm assuming he's not using the smash strat . Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Given his VPIP is so low, this is a pretty easy call. Odds are he's not sticking around in the SB with a 3, and even if he was, he'd probably check/raise all-in instead of immediately pushing all-in.I'd say sb has something like 88. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 gotta call if he as a 3 then thats poker Link to post Share on other sites
PoppinFresh 0 Posted October 17, 2005 Author Share Posted October 17, 2005 Sounds good, thanks guys.If anyone disagrees please chime in. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 gotta call if he as a 3 then thats pokerNo, if he has a 3, that's bullshit.Now if he has ACES...well, THAT is poker...But you gotta call. Link to post Share on other sites
allinbluff35 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 i'm tempted to fold, only $4 invested, meh. Link to post Share on other sites
Egarim 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Call. Most likely has a pp. He wouldn't lead allin with a 3 here. Only possible hand that I see beating you here is aces. Link to post Share on other sites
jayistheman 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Call. Most likely has a pp. He wouldn't lead allin with a 3 here. Only possible hand that I see beating you here is aces.i've seen it done many many times at these stakes. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 hmm.likely? SB had in mind to push any non-Ace flop as soon as he called preflop. i don't have Balls to call..but I bet it's +EV.If he has something like A3s, it's always fun when someone chat's: "Duh, you dumbass. Overplaying Big PP again." Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I call here.SB has a PP.Could realistically push with 77 -- QQAlso with KK, and AA, 33, 55.You are ahead more often than not, on average its not a big edge, but I'll take it. Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 i usually laugh and fold as i say "sucks for you that you assumed i'm a bad player... you could have gotten so much more value out of me."apparently i'm the only one, as everyone else says call.you people are easy to exploit. :-) aseem Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Meh.I call. Link to post Share on other sites
guinevar 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 you people are easy to exploit. :-)Only 4 dollars invested, gents. I don't make this call.All-in preflop. :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
Cycrac 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I'd fold and sigh..If sb did go all in with some crap like 77 that wouldn't make much sense, then good for him, take the $4 Link to post Share on other sites
allinbluff35 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 i usually laugh and fold as i say "sucks for you that you assumed i'm a bad player... you could have gotten so much more value out of me."apparently i'm the only one, as everyone else says call.you people are easy to exploit. Â :-) Â aseemyou read about as well as you play which isn't good, look at my post above. Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 i usually laugh and fold as i say "sucks for you that you assumed i'm a bad player... you could have gotten so much more value out of me."apparently i'm the only one, as everyone else says call.you people are easy to exploit. Â :-) Â aseemyou read about as well as you play which isn't good, look at my post above.relax baby! i was generalizing when i said "everyone else". aseem Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 i usually laugh and fold as i say "sucks for you that you assumed i'm a bad player... you could have gotten so much more value out of me."apparently i'm the only one, as everyone else says call.you people are easy to exploit. Â :-) Â aseemyou read about as well as you play which isn't good, look at my post above.relax baby! i was generalizing when i said "everyone else". aseemsince we're keeping score I said I don't call either.Although, for different reasons. Link to post Share on other sites
Captain_Walt 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Only hand I am afraid of here is AA. He knows he is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone if he has 33,55, or x3. Why would he push first to act? Unless he can put you on a high PP AND be confident you will call. AND if he does put you on a high PP he can be assured you will bet when it gets to you and he can push All In than and get your bet guaranteed + a call perhaps.I make the call no doubt in my mind. If he has AA....oh well... he only has half a buy in anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Only hand I am afraid of here is AA. He knows he is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone if he has 33,55, or x3. Why would he push first to act?Because he's going to get called by people who like to dream up ideal circumstances in order to justify a call. Link to post Share on other sites
Captain_Walt 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Only hand I am afraid of here is AA. He knows he is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone if he has 33,55, or x3. Why would he push first to act?Because he's going to get called by people who like to dream up ideal circumstances in order to justify a call.Don't think so. First of all what is he calling with in the SB that is X3? Not much A3s maybe. So you are saying he is pushing first to act with either the nuts or 2nd nuts on the flop? Really don't think so. Why not wait for a continuation bet or give a free card for the Hero to improve. If he is making that move is he losing tons of EV in my mind.Mid to high pocket pair, scared of overs. done Link to post Share on other sites
Cycrac 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 So you are saying he is pushing first to act with either the nuts or 2nd nuts on the flop? Really don't think so. Why not wait for a continuation bet or give a free card for the Hero to improve. If he is making that move is he losing tons of EV in my mind.From sbs point of view, pushing with 55 (or 33) here isn't all that bad, you only have to get a call every once in a while to win more in the long run, than what you would if you played it slower. Plenty of people at 100nl call pushes on that flop with high pps (as you can see from the replies :-) ) Link to post Share on other sites
PoppinFresh 0 Posted October 18, 2005 Author Share Posted October 18, 2005 I've gotta be honest that I don't think I could make this laydown against most players, I'm still not sure what's right though.To the people saying fold, why would he be pushing with a hand that has us beat here? With the amount he has left, if we have a big pocket pair he could just check/call and he'd most likely get all of his money in. I don't see how he's exploiting any leak on a caller's part by pushing right off the bat, hopefully someone can explain this to me. Link to post Share on other sites
Davin 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 i'd callif he did have a three, he wouldnt push in immediately. he'd rechecked, take a few seconds to quit celebrating, and then hit the check button. most likely he has a pp or a-5 Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 davin, are you the davin i know?aseem Link to post Share on other sites
Davin 0 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 how many other davin's are there at mit =) Link to post Share on other sites
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