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[Sysvr4]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with A:diamond:, A:spade:. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls.Flop: (14 SB) 7:club:, Q:club:, 3:heart: (7 players)SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, SB calls.Turn: (9 BB) 8:club: (4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, Hero folds, UTG calls.River: (16 BB) 9:spade: (3 players)SB checks, UTG checks, MP3 bets, SB folds, UTG calls.Final Pot: 18 BBBig pot but I can't see how I can call the turn raise on this board. Right or wrong?Jeff

[hotbacon]

Bad fold. You're getting ****ing 1:14 immediate!!! Huge pot, you can easily have the best hand here. Even if you don't, pot's big enough to chase aces up on the river.The raiser could've easily thought he was slowplaying a queen, or have just the A

[WonderfulSplash]

Edit. Don't post after you wake up. -EV

[Actuary]

hotbacon said:

Bad fold. You're getting censored 1:14 immediate!!! Huge pot, you can easily have the best hand here. Even if you don't, pot's big enough to chase aces up on the river.The raiser could've easily thought he was slowplaying a queen, or have just the A

[screech]

hotbacon is right.The turn raise does not mean a flush.

[Sysvr4]

I don't know, I think we're drawing dead here a lot. You guys miss that SB called 2 cold on this turn? And MP3 has to be much trickier than I'm willing to give him credit for to raise for a free showdown against this many opponents with a pair and flush draw.I kinda thought this was an easy bet/fold. I'll take some more comments on it before deciding for sure I spose...I'll say this, I actually like WonderfulSpash's check/call better than I do bet/call here.Jeff

[Actuary]

check calling this turn is wretched!I thought Wondersplash misread, and meant the river.

[screech]

Actuary said:

check calling this turn is wretched!I thought Wondersplash misread, and meant the river.

Yep.Giving a lone spade a free shot at the river is horrible.

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I don't know, I think we're drawing dead here a lot.

I don't think we're drawing dead often enough to give up just yet.

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You guys miss that SB called 2 cold on this turn?

So?This means he probably does not have a flush, and that we can outdraw him if he is ahead of us. We're getting 17:1 to call here. Folding here when we may be drawing live is a huge mistake.

[Sysvr4]

screech said:

Giving a lone spade a free shot at the river is horrible.

True, that's why I opted for bet/fold.

screech said:

We're getting 17:1 to call here. Folding here when we may be drawing live is a huge mistake.

It's 14:1 if it isn't raised and reraised behind us. It's worse if it is raised, obviously.What do you do if you call and it's raised again behind you? Looks like we need at least 3 outs to continue with this hand here. We have two outs to a set (but you must discount the Ac) and a bunch of "outs" to a dirty two pair. Obviously we could be drawing live, I'm just not sure it's often enough. You guys certainly seem to think so :)Jeff

[hotbacon]

Sysvr4 said:

screech said:

Giving a lone spade a free shot at the river is horrible.

True, that's why I opted for bet/fold.

screech said:

We're getting 17:1 to call here. Folding here when we may be drawing live is a huge mistake.

It's 14:1 if it isn't raised and reraised behind us. It's worse if it is raised, obviously.What do you do if you call and it's raised again behind you? Looks like we need at least 3 outs to continue with this hand here. We have two outs to a set (but you must discount the Ac) and a bunch of "outs" to a dirty two pair. Obviously we could be drawing live, I'm just not sure it's often enough. You guys certainly seem to think so :)Jeff

You have the best hand enough times to continue, stop thinking a turn raise always means they can beat a pair of aces. I would call this even if I knew the river wouldn't improve me.