screech 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 This happened to me today. I had AKs in the BB. The action PF went:raise, 3-bet, call, cap, 3 bets to me.The guy that capped had a pfr% of 16%. I called here because of looseness of the pf capper, my bb discount, and the multiway action.My question is, when, if ever, would you fold AKs preflop? Link to post Share on other sites
guinevar 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Someone with a 1% raise over 20000 hands raises and each time he has only raised kings or aces seems like a good candidate. Link to post Share on other sites
shpaget 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 This happened to me today. I had AKs in the BB. The action PF went:raise, 3-bet, call, cap, 3 bets to me.The guy that capped had a pfr% of 16%. I called here because of looseness of the pf capper, my bb discount, and the multiway action.My question is, when, if ever, would you fold AKs preflop?In Limit, rarely, if ever, to 2 bets or less - but if the utg opener is someone you know only plays aa and kk from that position, I hope I would fold - if you have a situation where the opener or the capper is someone you know to be tight, I'm not adverse to folding AK to 3 or 4 bets (especially out of position).What do you do on a flop of KQ7 - do you check/call, check/raise, lead, call one raise but not two? I probably lead, but what next when the guy on the button with TJ raises? You're throwing a lot of money, out of position, after a drawing hand, in a situation where you are behind at least 1 player, and probably at least 2, and you don't even have the benefit of being able to show preflop aggression.In No Limit, folding AK preflop when you're facing a huge raise is one of the more disciplined and significant things you can do (too many people seem happy to play in coin flip situations with all their chips).There are reasons the hand is called "Walking back to Houston" or "Anna Kournikova". Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 hey screech, if you never folded AKs you wouldnt be making a huge mistake. Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 hey screech, if you never folded AKs you wouldnt be making a huge mistake. I could think of some crazy times that I might fold it but for the most part AKs gets played. Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 screech, i would fold AKo in your spot, but i'd go ahead and play AKs.i can't think of many times where i'd fold AKs preflop, but there are some. they're pretty rare.aseem Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 what is so strange?AA/KK so much less likely now that you have AK.I'm hating Q/J on flop but A/K is cool..at least until its 3-bet on the turn Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 what is so strange?AA/KK so much less likely now that you have AK.I'm hating Q/J on flop but A/K is cool..at least until its 3-bet on the turn It's probably not strange, I've just never encountered a time where I actually considered folding AKs. And while AA/KK combos have been cut in half, the preflop betting makes it likely that AA/KK may be out, as well as another AK. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 what is so strange?AA/KK so much less likely now that you have AK.I'm hating Q/J on flop but A/K is cool..at least until its 3-bet on the turn It's probably not strange, I've just never encountered a time where I actually considered folding AKs. And while AA/KK combos have been cut in half, the preflop betting makes it likely that AA/KK may be out, as well as another AK.if I'm reading this correctly..then let me seg-way (sp)...One thing I do subconciously is raise the value of the Original Raiser and 3-better's (and callers) hands, just because a third person capped.See what I mean?But if It's just one raise..I usually assume a wide range. So it's important to not foget that Orig Raiser..may not have been expecting to paly for 4 bets.Plausible Scenario:Raiser 1 has AT suitedRaiser 2 has TT and wants to isolateCapper has QQanyway..it doesn't efffect what Raiser 1 had.I realize all u know this, I'm just on a strem of conscience... Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Actuary, 'segue' for future reference. Link to post Share on other sites
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