i normally dont do things like this

[wrto4556 0]

$30/$60 at the BellagioI get A 3 in the SB.MP3 opens with a raise, CO cold calls, I semi-cold call in the SB.Flop is 9 ,7 ,3 I check, MP3 bets, CO calls, I call.Turn is the 7 I check, MP3 checks, CO bets, I raise...

[TJ_Eckleburg 0]

Sexy.I think I like it so far.A pocket pair less than 9's and ahead of 3's would suck... but I think if you get called and lead any river you have a chance of being good.If you get raised... I think you have to call and check/fold the river unimproved.

[akishore 0]

meh.uninteresting.if MP is tight, sure.otherwise, spewage.aseem

[wrto4556 0]

meh.uninteresting.if MP is tight, sure.otherwise, spewage.aseem

could you elaborate?

[MrNiceGuy 0]

I'm a lot more worried about CO than MP; vs. most low limit players I'd figure he had at least a pocket pair that he wouldn't fold, so I'd just fold. Any read on CO?PF seems a bit light...

[screech 0]

I'm a lot more worried about CO than MP; vs. most low limit players I'd figure he had at least a pocket pair that he wouldn't fold, so I'd just fold. Any read on CO?PF seems a bit light...

These aren't low limit players.

[wrto4556 0]

it almost plays like low limits most of the time.MP looks like he whiffed with a couple of big cards so I think maybe my A3 is good.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

it almost plays like low limits most of the time.MP looks like he whiffed with a couple of big cards so I think maybe my A3 is good.

Unless CO is somewhat LAG, he must have a better hand than you here, right? It's easy to put MP on overs (unless he's tricky), but he's got to figure you for something after you semi-cold-called PF, and called the flop.It just seems like most people who would cold-call PF with a 9 would be loose enough to call down here. So I don't think you can win this, unless CO would bet a draw here.

[wrto4556 0]

it almost plays like low limits most of the time.MP looks like he whiffed with a couple of big cards so I think maybe my A3 is good.

Unless CO is somewhat LAG, he must have a better hand than you here, right? It's easy to put MP on overs (unless he's tricky), but he's got to figure you for something after you semi-cold-called PF, and called the flop.It just seems like most people who would cold-call PF with a 9 would be loose enough to call down here. So I don't think you can win this, unless CO would bet a draw here.

COs range is difficult.He cold calls with stuff like KQ and T9s and pocket pairs. So he could have anything and just peel the flop. He could have a medium pocket pair which he will fold sometimes. I can improve with another 3 or A. It looks like I have a 7.He could have a draw which he calls with.He could have a 7 which he 3-bets.He could have a 9 which he probably calls with.The pot is 6BB and im risking 2BB.I probably fold to a 3-bet and check/call the river UI (bet/call river if I improve).

[JaysonWeber 0]

This should make for some discussion.Chris should be making this play with any two cards here.

[akishore 0]

meh.uninteresting.if MP is tight, sure.otherwise, spewage.aseem

could you elaborate?

actually, i misread and thought the turn bettor was also the flop bettor / preflop raiser.my bad.aseem

[checkymcfold 0]

This should make for some discussion.Chris should be making this play with any two cards here.

i agree, though qualifying this with any two PLAYABLE cards to that raise preflop (which, for the record, includes a3s), provided we've got outs to anything other than a 7. MP's check on the turn is either a tricky checkraise (highly unlikely, though this is my personal favorite move) or a hand that he'll definitely throw away to your SB raise. CO probably smells this and is betting his any-two. your raise is going to get a CO PP to go away, or overs to make a mistake. if you're 3-bet, i'd say this is a pretty easy fold to what must be a 7. if you're called, i probably bet/fold the river unimproved and bet/call if i spike an ace.edit: for the record, i'm putting CO on 66-ish, which would be very hard pressed to call a raise/lead.

[akishore 0]

This should make for some discussion.Chris should be making this play with any two cards here.

yeah, i felt the same way.depends not on his cards, but on the players.if CO is a frequent bluffer in this spot, AND the preflop raiser is tight, AND BB is tight, it works.a lot of "and"s though...aseem

[checkymcfold 0]

This should make for some discussion.Chris should be making this play with any two cards here.

yeah, i felt the same way.depends not on his cards, but on the players.if CO is a frequent bluffer in this spot, AND the preflop raiser is tight, AND BB is tight, it works.a lot of "and"s though...aseem

i would say that most 30/60 live players are bluffers in this spot. i haven't played in vegas, but that's definitely true of the 20/40 game i play.the PFR doesn't have to be tight--he just has to have overs. AK can't call two cold to a board that just paired when he might be drawing dead. if he's got KK, then he's got KK, but that would be a wonky check on the turn if he did.

[JaysonWeber 0]

the PFR doesn't have to be tight--he just has to have overs. AK can't call two cold to a board that just paired when he might be drawing dead. if he's got KK, then he's got KK, but that would be a wonky check on the turn if he did

Thats pretty much how i thought about it.Also, BB isnt in the hand so it makes it a bunch easier.

[checkymcfold 0]

the PFR doesn't have to be tight--he just has to have overs. AK can't call two cold to a board that just paired when he might be drawing dead. if he's got KK, then he's got KK, but that would be a wonky check on the turn if he did

Thats pretty much how i thought about it.Also, BB isnt in the hand so it makes it a bunch easier.

good, nice to know vegas hasn't yet ruined your brain. :-)