akishore 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 3/6 ringi have K J in early/mid.EP limps, ..., i limp, ... CO limps, ..., BB checks.(4.5 SB) K 7 2 BB checks, EP bets, i fold...EP is 0/0 over 19 hands.maybe i'm bloating the sickness of this hand, but i kept thinking... "holy shit!"aseem Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 You got 19 hands on him and he's folded everything? Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Author Share Posted October 12, 2005 You got 19 hands on him and he's folded everything?yeah.this is way correct, right?aseem Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I feel nauseous. Im gonna be sick. Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Yeah I guess it isn't bad at all. This sucks, out of curiosity, I raise and fold to any more aggression. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 C'mon...y'all haven't ever had a really terrible run of 19 hands? I know that I have. Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 C'mon...y'all haven't ever had a really terrible run of 19 hands? I know that I have. Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Youre a maniac.Calm down Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Youre a maniac.Calm downWho me? Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Author Share Posted October 12, 2005 lol, i can't wait to share the results.but really, more discussion please!cold run of 19 cards... maybe.but, this guy is obviously tight, which means he obviously knows at least SOME things. which means he just might be a little position aware.since he limped in EP, that just scared the crap out of me when he played his first hand in 20 hands and decided to limp with it under the freaking gun.what's the harm in folding? it's such a tiny pot, even if i make a mistake.i agree that if this was a big pot, making this "expert laydown" is the crappity. but, this pot is el tinyo.thoughts?aseem Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I hope there is more discussion. But unless someone can try to sway me, I like raising here and getting to showdown for cheap, folding if we have to. Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 lol, i can't wait to share the results.but really, more discussion please!cold run of 19 cards... maybe.but, this guy is obviously tight, which means he obviously knows at least SOME things. which means he just might be a little position aware.since he limped in EP, that just scared the crap out of me when he played his first hand in 20 hands and decided to limp with it under the freaking gun.what's the harm in folding? it's such a tiny pot, even if i make a mistake.i agree that if this was a big pot, making this "expert laydown" is the crappity. but, this pot is el tinyo.thoughts?aseemYou were serious? Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I feel nauseous. Im gonna be sick. Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Author Share Posted October 12, 2005 You were serious?...?do i sound like i'm not?aseem Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 You were serious?...?do i sound like i'm not?aseemI thought the original post was a joke, You sounded like it.It's just 19 hands. You think it was AA? Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 "Pay that man his money." -Teddy KGBdude. Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 I thought the original post was a joke, You sounded like it.It's just 19 hands. Â You think it was AA?We aren't at the punchline yet. This doesn't look like a 1 liner. Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Author Share Posted October 12, 2005 I thought the original post was a joke, You sounded like it.It's just 19 hands. Â You think it was AA?lol.the pot is tiny. his VP$IP is zero over 19 hands.if it was like 5 hands, sure. 10 hands, yeah i guess.but 1 hand out of 20 hands?how often are you folding 20 straight hands? i think a cold run of 20 completely unplayable cards from a tight player isn't THAT common.plus, his position.why should i pay this terrible nit tight-ass rock? even if i have the best hand, it's such a tiny pot--is it really worth it??aseem Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Ok you limped fine fold if you feel like it. It is fine and you are using your technology so it isn't a far fetched move.p.s. :shock: Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Author Share Posted October 12, 2005 Ok you limped fine fold if you feel like it. It is fine and you are using your technology so it isn't a far fetched move.lol. i'm not trying to act all defensive and not listen to advice, but i really thought this was an interesting situation.i posted a similar hand a long time ago where i folded KQo preflop in MP after a super rock limped UTG. i think the consensus was that i shouldn't have folded, but it was really close. some discussion about abdul ____ (always forget his last name) was brought up, and i remember you linked me to a lot of his works--good stuff.aseem Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 It could be also be 9 pairs that didn't hit the flop to set that isn't aces. Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Author Share Posted October 12, 2005 It could be also be 9 pairs that didn't hit the flop to set that isn't aces.it could be.but i also thought about implied or reverse implied odds.how much is a hand worse than a pair of kings going to pay me if i choose to continue? this guy is obviously a super nit.how much am i going to pay off aces or a set if i choose to continue?i think answer 2 is a LOT greater than answer 1.aseem Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 It could be also be 9 pairs that didn't hit the flop to set that isn't aces.it could be.but i also thought about implied or reverse implied odds.how much is a hand worse than a pair of kings going to pay me if i choose to continue? this guy is obviously a super nit.how much am i going to pay off aces or a set if i choose to continue?i think answer 2 is a LOT greater than answer 1.aseemI don't know I'd be more than 50 percent sure that I had the best hand. Is calling one bet on the flop that bad? You can re-evaluate on the turn and see what he does. He could check, he could bet again. If he was super tight, he'd check with a lesser pair. Isn't it WA-WB but in positionm Link to post Share on other sites
Canada 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Raise that flop and stop being such a meooow. :wink: Lets take the assupmtion that is a TAG. Folding 19 hands in a row is pretty common, only takes some cold cards and EP raises when he has a marginal hand. If he is a good player, betting that board with Ace high or a PP is not unreasonable.On the other hand if he is a nit he likely has AK, KQ as even nits raise AA,KK preflop. Raising a nit here will quite possibly get a call and turn check even with AK, getting you a freecard or showdown if you feel the need.Finally he may well your generic fish with some obscure reason for not playing the first 19 hands.Fair enough you can let it go to a 3 bet, but folding what may be the best hand here is not good.The other advantage of raising here (apart from the fact you could possibly take the hand now) is that you probably will get to showdown cheaply and cement your read. Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 So what did he have?I'm over the suspense Link to post Share on other sites
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