thespoil said:
Blink20 said:
The c/r line is best here. If he just calls, push again on turn, then evaluate from there.
If we c/r this flop are we leading the turn no matter what comes? This thread is interesting. I think I get myself into a lot of unnecessary trouble in these blind vs. blind scenarios.
Im leading on most turn cards. This is a very draw heavy flop, and if we can put our villian on a draw, then we can extract money making him chase it. Usually in the situations I c/r the flop with tp, I'm leading again on the turn and evaluating his response. Most villians, if they are sitting on a monster, say a set, like to just call your raise on flop, and then drop the hammer on the turn, that is if there are obvious draws present, they don't want you to draw for free either.The turn is where you can get a feel for your opponents hand, and you won't get that by checking. The main reason I'm advocating c/r'ing the flop is because the profile of the villian, aggr. and loose with draws. Even aggressive players can be slowed down. After c/r'ing flop, the lead on the turn should narrow down his holdings. Most of the time, he will just call with a draw, if he's maniacal and pushes all in on turn, well, thats a tough decision whether to go in with his push or not, depending on what kind of hands you've seen him showdown in situations like this before.If all goes according to plan, im leading turn, he's just calling. The river is gonna be a blank. I'm going to check, he's going to bluff and I'm going to call it. Sometimes I'm paying off a better hand, but knowing my opponent, a lot of the time I'm calling his bluff. If say the Ace of diamonds falls on the river, well, can't really call a bluff there. In this specific hand, the 7 on the turn is a perfect card to keep the lead. Some thinking opponents will even fold their draw here b/c they can't draw on a paired board heads up, that would be nice for us, but probably won't happen, but we should still keep the lead. This way, he's the one guessing. He doesn't know if we have trip sevens, if we have a boat, if we have top pair and a damn good kicker, etc. He's the one having to call, he's the one forced to a decision. We are gaining information and giving ourselve extra ways to win this pot, either right here on turn, or at showdown with the best hand.Even though I advocate this line here, there's plenty of time when the pots not big in situations like these, and the board doesn't give much for our opponent to have a worse hand then us, that we should just get rid of top pair weak kicker. Also when the opponent is a rock, there's really no reason contesting. But on this draw heavy flop with a known opponent like this, keep pushing.
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T :spade:2 limpers, hero completesFlop: T 
7 
($4)hero checks2 pair less likely now, I don't think he bets that much with a 7 (or on the flop). Over bet the pot even only by a little made me think he was drawing still.River: 5 
