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[Jadaki]

So last weekend I am playing in a live 1/2 NL game and sitting in seat 9 is this older gentleman who is spending his time lecturing us on how to play every hand and telling the dealers how to deal etc...For the last hour and 1/2 this guy is getting on everyone's nerves and people have not hid that fact.I pick up a pair of 7's in MP and I limp after one other person does. There are a few folds to this guy in the SB and he raises to 10 and I am the only caller. He starts lecturing me on why I should never call his raises.Anyway, flop comes 7, 2, 2... full house for me. I check, he bets 20 telling me I should stop chasing now, I call.Turn brings the last 7 and I make quads, I check again and he tells me I am stupid for playing shitty cards against his monster hand, and then he pushes all in, which of course I call. As I flipped over my cards I said "have fun beating quads" with a bit of a chuckle.He showed AJ, then threw his cards at the dealer and started to berate the guy for letting the worst hand win. I have no clue what that was supposed to mean, but the guy left and came back and rebought and played some more. While he was out getting cash, I was told by a player that my "have fun beating quads" comment was rude and uncalled for. The dealer told me he appreciated it as he was smiling at how pissed the guy was. Normally I wouldn't have said anything like that, but the guy was just flat out rude and it was getting on my nerves, so I had to needle him a bit since I had the chance.Was my comment really poor etiquette?

[Swift_Psycho]

IMHO, no.

[FOOSE1]

Like momma always said . . . if you're needled . . . needle back. (Or something like that ).

[jlgosse]

I would have said something MUCH worse, so no, you're not at fault.I like to take down clowns in the rudest, most ridiculous way possible when they're acting like that in a game.

[BilliardsBoy]

Totally CALLED for man. That guy deserved it to be honest, if not for the constant comments to other players and his play-by-play criticism of you during the hand, then at least for the dealers sake.What a f'n joke to get on the dealer because your pocket pair, WHICH WAS AHEAD PREFLOP, absolutely destroyed his hand.This guy is an ass. Anyone notice that he pushed all-in with the "sherif". LOL, what a joke, way to put urself all in with ace high jackass.

[speedz99]

Your comment was not out of line, especially since the guy was talking trash before that.Nice hand. Those always feel the best.

[loopster]

you were wayyy too easy on him. :twisted:As well as the knob who critisized(sp) you....

[Jadaki]

The one who critised me was actually a good friend, who I was giving a ride home too... a fact I had to remind him of

[Kendren]

Jadaki said:

The one who critised me was actually a good friend, who I was giving a ride home too... a fact I had to remind him of

Oh, man... SOMEBODY's buying gas. And it ain't you.

[rog]

Rude, but totally called for.

[WasaMaNG]

Personally, I would not have said anything and just shown the quads. I think that would have had a more beneficial psycological effect. Since you said that, you gave him the opportunity to blow up and he probably got really pissed off and was able to calm down. If you just showed the hand down...he would have felt like an idiot and since no one said anything, he would not have an outlet to vent his frustration. This would lead to a tilt-effect that would throw his game off for the rest of the session...

[shpaget]

Not uncalled for, but it's probably more effective just to show the hand and take your chips, without even looking at him...or yawning.It's kind of like leaving a restaurant where you got poor service...it's usually more effective, and more biting, to leave a 15 cent tip then to say anything.

[dms26]

rog said:

Rude, but totally called for.

slightly rude, definately called for. I probably would have slowrolled him. He deserves it.

[NortonFan]

dms26 said:

rog said:

Rude, but totally called for.

slightly rude, definately called for. I probably would have slowrolled him. He deserves it.

Lol, I was thinking the same thing.

[DCWildcat]

it...doesn't...****ing...matter...

[BilliardsBoy]

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Personally, I would not have said anything and just shown the quads. I think that would have had a more beneficial psycological effect. Since you said that, you gave him the opportunity to blow up and he probably got really pissed off and was able to calm down. If you just showed the hand down...he would have felt like an idiot and since no one said anything, he would not have an outlet to vent his frustration. This would lead to a tilt-effect that would throw his game off for the rest of the session...

Sorry, but this is probably the worst logic I've ever seen. What is this Matlock, where the bad guy breaks down at the end and confesses. You seriously think that you would get this guy pissed and on tilt by NOT insulting him a little? That if you somehow let him wallow in his own failure to win the hand and yell at the dealer, he would be overwhelmed with such guilt that he would begin to play poorly?Good luck with that strategy in the future brother. LoL

[WasaMaNG]

BilliardsBoy said:

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Personally, I would not have said anything and just shown the quads. I think that would have had a more beneficial psycological effect. Since you said that, you gave him the opportunity to blow up and he probably got really censored off and was able to calm down. If you just showed the hand down...he would have felt like an idiot and since no one said anything, he would not have an outlet to vent his frustration. This would lead to a tilt-effect that would throw his game off for the rest of the session...

Sorry, but this is probably the worst logic I've ever seen. What is this Matlock, where the bad guy breaks down at the end and confesses. You seriously think that you would get this guy censored and on tilt by NOT insulting him a little? That if you somehow let him wallow in his own failure to win the hand and yell at the dealer, he would be overwhelmed with such guilt that he would begin to play poorly?Good luck with that strategy in the future brother. LoL

Actually, this strategy does work for me...You have to be a complete idiot not to realize that you played like fool after the OP shows down quads. By not saying anything, it definitely lingers in his mind. He's obviously playing bad and if he gets a chance to vent, it will allow him to change mental states. He was already playing like an idiot...why change that? By angering him, you could force him to get overly-aggressive and you may win a lot of money off of him. But if he gets lucky, he could very likely put you on tilt. This will also cause some of the other players at the table to tighten up and you'll lose action from them.By not saying anything, you keep your victim "tame". If you anger him, he may be prone to start playing back at you putting you at a lot of decisions. If you keep quiet, you can keep putting him at a decision and he will be second guessing himself after bluffing into the pure nuts.It's my experience that the happy loser always comes back, and a guy like this I definitely want in my game.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

In my opinion, needling is an art. I only needle people if they're doing it to other people and generally making an ass of themselves, AND I feel that by needling, I can put them on tilt and hopefully get them to rebuy.You're well within your rights in that situation.

[BilliardsBoy]

Maybe your used to your home games or something where you're trying to be nice.Having a player on tilt, especially bad ones, is INFINATELY SUPERIOR to having them sulk and possibly tighten up.Whether you believe it or not, you could get more payment out of those bad players that you leave alone if you get them to tilt a little. Show a big bluff, make a sarcastic comment, anything to get them off their game. Allowing a player to calm down, evaluate what he did wrong, and possibly start playing better is just about the worst thing you could do next to dumping your chips to him on purpose.When have you ever performed a mental task better when you were really ticked off????

[rog]

BilliardsBoy said:

Having a player on tilt, especially bad ones, is INFINATELY SUPERIOR to having them sulk and possibly tighten up.

Bad players play bad because they suck at poker. They dont need to be tilted. You dont want them to change anything about what they're doing. Tilt the good players, and let the fish swim around oblivious to how much they actually suck. Two nights ago, I sat with 2 uber-fish and some tighties. One fish played every single hand, and was showing down nearly half of his hands. He was making some incredible suck-outs. One tightie was constantly needling him about how much of a fish he was. Why? He cant play any worse. Eventually he just left the table. How could needling this bad player possibly be +EV?