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#1 jlgosse

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:03 AM

In a 25+3 on pacific just then, I pick up KK in late position. A guy in front me raises about 4xbb, so I re-raise to about 12xbb once it gets around to me.I note, I have about 3 times what I started with in chips, and the aggressor has slightly less than me, we're both in the top 5 chip stacks. Anyway, when the action gets back around to him, he pushes for all of his chips, which would leave me with about 300 to play with.The blinds are 15/30.What do you do in this spot?I'll post the results later.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:04 AM

your commited, PUSHHHHHHH

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:06 AM

your commited, PUSHHHHHHH

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:07 AM

I'm not committed, I only have about 15% of my stack in the pot.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:15 AM

Call and take the shot at knocking a player out of the tourney. One closer to the money.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:15 AM

jlgosse said:

In a 25+3 on pacific just then, I pick up KK in late position. A guy in front me raises about 4xbb, so I re-raise to about 12xbb once it gets around to me.I note, I have about 3 times what I started with in chips, and the aggressor has slightly less than me, we're both in the top 5 chip stacks. Anyway, when the action gets back around to him, he pushes for all of his chips, which would leave me with about 300 to play with.The blinds are 15/30.What do you do in this spot?I'll post the results later.
he made it 4x?. looks like a AA who wants action from other Aces, and low PP.I fold this hand when he comes over the top.. Not easy to fold KK but this early in a tourney when i am double the avegrage stack size. i fold.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:15 AM

I don't think this is a difficult decision... the range of hands that he could push with includes AA, but also includes all kinds of hands that you dominate... depending on how much of a gambler you think he is. There are not many players in an online tournament to whom I'd fold KK. It's an insta-call for me.weathermania

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:16 AM

it would be a heck of a fold.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:19 AM

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it would be a heck of a fold.
not really.. i folded AK last night when i made it 3200 to go and he came over the top of me, he showed KK. why risk your entire stack for something so stupid as a preflop race this early?.KK is dominating over any hand except AA, but i still dont like calling in this spot. the 4x raise is just to eerie

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:19 AM

last 3 times i've had KK i've run in to AA...so i fold hereespecially when he comes over the top
When you lose over and over again, it just becomes natural.


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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:21 AM

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I don't think this is a difficult decision... the range of hands that he could push with includes AA, but also includes all kinds of hands that you dominate... depending on how much of a gambler you think he is. There are not many players in an online tournament to whom I'd fold KK. It's an insta-call for me.weathermania
why is anyone with double or triple the average stack at 15/30 level 2 of a tournament pushing with any range of hands??can you explain your reasoning to calling here other than the fact that you hold KK?

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:23 AM

Ah, push it - push it goodAh, push it - push it real goodAh, push it - push it goodAh, push it - p-push it real good

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:25 AM

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Ah, push it - push it goodAh, push it - push it real goodAh, push it - push it goodAh, push it - p-push it real good
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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:25 AM

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Ah, push it - push it goodAh, push it - push it real goodAh, push it - push it goodAh, push it - p-push it real good
Well played. NH.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:27 AM

he has at least one ace.... he has at least 30% to win....What is the point, just lose 300 chips and continue with your 4000 or so.Not exactly hard, fold it.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:27 AM

good old marky mark...and somehow he's still a respected actor...
When you lose over and over again, it just becomes natural.


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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:28 AM

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rocksquid said:

it would be a heck of a fold.
not really.. i folded AK last night when i made it 3200 to go and he came over the top of me, he showed KK. why risk your entire stack for something so stupid as a preflop race this early?.KK is dominating over any hand except AA, but i still dont like calling in this spot. the 4x raise is just to eerie
I agree with your logic completely, yet to be honest I don't think I fold. I'm just not that good yet. It's easy for me to say I'd fold here in the forum, but when actually playing I think I'd have to see his aces for myself...
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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:32 AM

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rocksquid said:

it would be a heck of a fold.
not really.. i folded AK last night when i made it 3200 to go and he came over the top of me, he showed KK. why risk your entire stack for something so stupid as a preflop race this early?.KK is dominating over any hand except AA, but i still dont like calling in this spot. the 4x raise is just to eerie
I agree with your logic completely, yet to be honest I don't think I fold. I'm just not that good yet. It's easy for me to say I'd fold here in the forum, but when actually playing I think I'd have to see his aces for myself...
You're right, i still get those same feelings where youthink.. maan, if he turns up... and sure enough.. but after several of those, and some Q&A your game starts to take shape and you arent worried so much, especially in tournaments.Great example, in the Neg-O last night, me and spademan went from top 5 chips leaders for most of the night, then down to last 5 with 2/3 of the field gone. 30 minutes later, we are both at the final table. Always going to be better spots when risking your tourney life, and a double up in chips here doesnt guarantee you jack crap anyways.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:33 AM

If you fold KK in this position as a big stack you will never win a tourney...weak players fold there...he may think you are trying to muscle him and his possible hands are AA AK QQ even as little as JJ or AQs...if he was really a tight player and did this, then and only then would I hesitate...but I STILL CALL 99.9% in this spot...remember, you are not busted with this call even if you get beat...




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