i hate this, sb 6max

[brando 0]

(5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with K:club:, 6:club:. 2 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (3 SB) T:diamond:, K:heart:, Q:diamond: (3 players)Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.Turn: (3 BB) 2:club: (3 players)Hero bets, Hero ?second hand at table, no reads

[jayboogie 0]

I'd call it down. In a shorthanded game, top pair has a lot of showdown value. He could be making this raise with a flush draw, straight draw, even middle pair sometimes.

[Blink20 0]

(5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with K:club:' date=' 6:club:. 2 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (3 SB) T:diamond:, K:heart:, Q:diamond: (3 players)Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.Turn: (3 BB) 2:club: (3 players)Hero bets, Hero ?second hand at table, no reads[/quoteEvery folds to the button and he just calls. That would seem to rule out AA, KK, QQ, AK, KQ, KJ, AJ, and 10 10. He could have K 10, or the lower straight flopped, but he could also just be making a play at the pot with a big draw, like pair and straight draw, pair and flush draw, etc. I would three bet the turn. If he caps, check call river. If he just calls, bet call river on a safe card, check call again if it is a really scary river card..]

[jayboogie 0]

(5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with K:club:' date=' 6:club:. 2 folds' date=' Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.[b']Flop:[/b] (3 SB) T:diamond:, K:heart:, Q:diamond: (3 players)Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.Turn: (3 BB) 2:club: (3 players)Hero bets, Hero ?second hand at table, no reads[/quoteEvery folds to the button and he just calls. That would seem to rule out AA, KK, QQ, AK, KQ, KJ, AJ, and 10 10. He could have K 10, or the lower straight flopped, but he could also just be making a play at the pot with a big draw, like pair and straight draw, pair and flush draw, etc. I would three bet the turn. If he caps, check call river. If he just calls, bet call river on a safe card, check call again if it is a really scary river card..]

Are you serious about 3-betting the turn? What do you get out of doing this? I'm pretty damn certain if you get called your beat and your not folding a better hand either, 3-betting the turn is chip spewing.

[Blink20 0]

(5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with K:club:' date=' 6:club:. 2 folds' date=' Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.[b']Flop:[/b] (3 SB) T:diamond:, K:heart:, Q:diamond: (3 players)Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.Turn: (3 BB) 2:club: (3 players)Hero bets, Hero ?second hand at table, no reads[/quoteEvery folds to the button and he just calls. That would seem to rule out AA, KK, QQ, AK, KQ, KJ, AJ, and 10 10. He could have K 10, or the lower straight flopped, but he could also just be making a play at the pot with a big draw, like pair and straight draw, pair and flush draw, etc. I would three bet the turn. If he caps, check call river. If he just calls, bet call river on a safe card, check call again if it is a really scary river card..]

Are you serious about 3-betting the turn? What do you get out of doing this? I'm pretty damn certain if you get called your beat and your not folding a better hand either, 3-betting the turn is chip spewing.

There's plenty of hands raising the turn that would call a three bet, that hero beats.As you said,

He could be making this raise with a flush draw, straight draw, even middle pair sometimes.

I would much rather make him pay for making a move, other than falling back into check calling mode. Shorthanded game, your kings are good there more often than not, no reason not to push the edge, especially given that a lot of hands that crush the hero, really don't make sense for the villian to be holding since villian just limped on the button.Edit: Another thing I forgot to mention is that the more likely hands that are ahead, are hands like K 9 and lower, in which case we have many outs for a split if we are behind. Like I said, the other hands aren't as likely unless you have a read on the villian to limp with strong hands in this type of situation.

[Abbaddabba 0]

Why would you ever 3bet? You're usually behind. The times that you _are_ ahead because he's semi bluffing a draw though, 3betting is still not so great. The times he makes his draw, you lose 3 bets on the turn and one or two on the river. The times he misses his draw, you win 3 on the turn, but none on the river. If you just called the bet when he was on a draw you only win 2 turn bets, but he will most likely throw out a bluff on the river with his busted draw giving you the same amount. Win the same when he misses, lose more when he hits.You win just as much against a draw by calling down as you do by 3betting when he misses. You lose a lot more by 3betting when he hits.When you 3bet and he has a superior made hand (the majority of the time), you lose 2 more than you have to.The only times that this is a good 3bet is when he has a made hand that's worse than yours which is extremely rare.I personally fold unless he's been extremely aggressive.Since it's the button doing the stop 'n go, i'd look at it from his perspective. If he _was_ on a flush draw, wouldnt it be far better to raise the flop for a free turn and build a pot while you still have a strong draw against a large field? Especially with a caller in between. If he's just calling the flop in order to semi-bluff the turn, he's doing it knowing that the BB _probably_ will also be caught in between, making the semi bluff a horrible decision at that point.

[jayboogie 0]

Your thinking if flawed here. I'm saying the possibility is there that the button is making a play, but I wouldn't say it's the most likely scenario. The reason to call down is to showdown your hand which has a chance of being good. If you 3-bet and it gets capped and assuming you call the river that gets bet by the button, your losing 3 big bets. If you 3-bet and your opponent was on a draw, you make 1 extra big bet assuming your opponent will probably fold the river UI. For this to be profitable, you need to be ahead of your opponent 75% of the time, with a pair of kings and a garbage kicker, I would say there's no way your ahead 75% of the time. Another advantage of check/calling is that you may induce a bluff by your opponent if he was on a draw in which case, you'd make the same money you would 3-betting the turn.