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[Eskimo]

I was playing an 1$/2$ NL HE online ring game and i get dealt 8 10 on the button. There is one limper before me and i limp in. SB folds, and BB checks. flop is 4 4 6 . Everyone checks. Turn is an A . Everyone checks again. The river is a 9 . BB bets the 2$ and the other guy raises it to 12$. I call and the BB folds. He had trip 4's on the flop and i win with the 10 high flush. Was the call on the river too tight? Should I have raised him?On a more general note... What is the highest flush you would ever lay down?

[JFarrell20]

Uhhh, the call on the end was too loose.The $2 bet doesn't scare me, but the $12 bet certainly does. I probably wouldn't call with just a 10 high flush. Someone could easily have a higher flush, the way the hand checked out to the river. Or worse yet, a full house with the 4-4.Honestly, I probably wouldn't even call this even on the button pre-flop. You should only involve youself with Q, K, or A high flush draws. Jack or lower is generally no good.

[wrto4556]

JFarrell20 said:

Uhhh, the call on the end was too loose.The $2 bet doesn't scare me, but the $12 bet certainly does.  I probably wouldn't call with just a 10 high flush.  Someone could easily have a higher flush, the way the hand checked out to the river.  Or worse yet, a full house with the 4-4.Honestly, I probably wouldn't even call this even on the button pre-flop.  You should only involve youself with Q, K, or A high flush draws.  Jack or lower is generally no good.

That's not true. I would have called, if not raised this hand. I'm not sure about the player. A T-high flush is going to be good more times than not. I call 87s and others in no-limit, the implied odds are huge. If you aren't playing T8s for the straights and flushes, then what are you playing them for??

[JFarrell20]

Right... check out the rest of what I said, he shouldn't have called here in the first place.

[wrto4556]

good call

[Fira]

raising is too loose due to full house possibility and a sudden raise when a third spade fell on the boardfolding is foolish due to obvious reasonsgood call indeed

[randomization]

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Honestly, I probably wouldn't even call this even on the button pre-flop. You should only involve youself with Q, K, or A high flush draws. Jack or lower is generally no good.

This is sickeningly bad advice. Let's imagine that we're dealing with observant and intelligent players. Outside of the blinds, the only hands you're going to be playing are big cards and suited connectors like JTs. (I assume you're not going to play smaller suited connectors if you'd fold them when the flush came). So these players see that this is what they're doing and they have an absolute goldmine. Almost anytime the board comes with rags, they can steal from you, since you don't play small cards. Moreover, when they play low cards, they always know that their two pair or set is good because the best you can have is an overpair. They can successfully bluff you when three cards to a flush come (maybe a straight too..I'm not sure if you're equally terrified of those). Anyone who notices your strategy will quickly end up with all your money. The obvious response is that most $1/2 NL players don't notice these things, and you're right. But the flip side is that they'll do other stupid things like bet their set of fours against three players and three spades on the board. In a lot of situations, there will be smaller flushes than ten high in with you. That said, there's a couple of unpromising things about this hand that make me unsure about whether or not you should call. Since you're holding T8 spades, and 96 are on the board, there's a lot fewer weak flushes out there. The raiser will often have a bigger flush or full house here when he bets at least half the time given that board. Your pot odds are only 3-2, and finally there's the big blind. The $2 bet is just weird, and it's almost impossible to figure out what it means. There's a good chance it means "this person is an idiot you can safely ignore" but sometimes the big blind could have a hand. Anytime he reraises, you pretty much have to fold, and you've lost that $12. I'm not too sure about the specific situation though.

[JFarrell20]

Just trust me. It's dumb to call a dollar here with 8 10 suited when there's only 2.50 in the pot. Why get involved with this crappy hand??? I don't see much earning potential playing this hand in a small pot.And don't get me started on the fact that he didn't bet the hand at all post-flop. Then he calls a re-raise on the end with 10-high flush?Sorry, I just don't think it's a wise play. I'm merely pointing out the stuff that nobody else is saying. If he folds here with 8 10 suited in a 2.50 pot, is he gonna lose sleep??? He.ll no.

[Fira]

Depends on how many players are in the pot, how aggressive they are, how much is in the pot, and how loose you are. And position matters too. Personally I would call with T8s, but thats just me. I call with huge range of hole cards including crap hands like 98os and 43s. But thats just me.

[wrto4556]

your getting 2.5-to-1 pre-flop with implied odds. Enough to call.

[Absolute]

I agree that the call is probably the right move, but I would consider a few things.The way the flop was played, with the checks, you might want to put your opponenets on a couple face cards.The turn comes with the flush draw, I am guessing anyone holding a hand like J Q spades is gonna throw a feeler bet here because of how weak the flop came, thinking he could at least steal the pot or get a couple smooth calls and get money in the pot if the flush does come.I do think the correct play here is to just call.I'm guessing the blinds were .50/1, so you limped in to a three dollar pot.Then its checked to the river and someone bets two and another raises to 12.You are only getting 3 to 1 if the original bettor calls, and much worse if not. So if you think this call wins every other time you make it, it would be considered a good play.