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[Smingers]

Recently in a live £10 rebuy tournament at my local casino, i came up against this hand.The buy-ins have closed with 3 tables of 10 left, blinds 200/400. Im chip leader on the table holding 55000 chips, on the small blind with 9 5 off. one caller in middle position holding 3000-4000 chips. on the button calls 400, he has just under my chips at say 50000. I make up to 400bb checksFlop10 9 5 rainbowi checksbb foldsmp raises 1000sb raises all inwhat would you do?

[gobears]

I assume that you mean button pushes. Reads would be helpful plus the # of chips that MP has - what has the button overbet the pot with before postflop? Does he overbet with a very strong hand or does he overbet with a semi-bluff (straight draw)? Does he overbet with TPTK?Since he's the only guy at the table that can hurt you, I fold with no reads.If you had top two pair than the decision might be closer. However, he could have 10 9 and have you dominated.

[Smingers]

yeah meant the button goes all in. mp had 3-4000 chips. button flat called 400 preflop then reraised mps, 1000 bet, all in with 50000 post flop.button was constantly, goin all in when it was on him to act post flop. bit of a maniac and a calling station. I called with two pair 9s and 5s mp folds top pair and button turns over 10 5. So the only way i could win was a 9 on the river or turn and it never came. A 5 came on the river to give me a full house 5s over 9s, but he has 5s over 10s, pretty harsh, but looking back i should have folded that.he wins the pot. im left with 5000 chips. give it a half hour, im still there and hes thrown all his chips away and out of the tourney 19th and i dont recover exiting at 12th.

[kilgoretrout]

if he was constantly going all in on the flop this call is mandatory and you got unlucky.

[gobears]

kilgoretrout said:

if he was constantly going all in on the flop this call is mandatory and you got unlucky.

Yeah, based on that information - I would have called with the two pair. Bummer that he actually had something.

[copernicus]

If you make it a firm strategy never to tangle with an unreadable comparable/bigger stack without the nuts when youre near the lead youll make a lot more final tables.

[Smingers]

Yeah i thought it was unlucky as well, but nevermind.

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If you make it a firm strategy never to tangle with an unreadable comparable/bigger stack without the nuts when youre near the lead youll make a lot more final tables.

I try and play this way. The one person on the table i didnt want to get involved with was that guy. It was just really hard for me to pass that 2 pair. I was going to reraise the mp until the button pushed.

[copernicus]

Smingers said:

Yeah i thought it was unlucky as well, but nevermind.

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If you make it a firm strategy never to tangle with an unreadable comparable/bigger stack without the nuts when youre near the lead youll make a lot more final tables.

I try and play this way. The one person on the table i didnt want to get involved with was that guy. It was just really hard for me to pass that 2 pair. I was going to reraise the mp until the button pushed.

Yup, hard to resist. And especially frustrating when there are a couple of players close to the bubble that you and another big stack could be ganging up on, and the brilliant other big stack keeps raising you out of pots instead of cooperating. Some day he'll learn his lesson and one of the small stacks that could have been eliminated is going to get lucky and come back and bite him in the arse.Meanwhile I'd rather just avoid him then risk the tournament on him flopping the nuts.

[Rocketwadster]

I do not think I would have checked the flop (you were SB right? first to act?). I would have put a 1/2 to 3/4 pot-sized bet out there, and THEN see what they did. Very easy to fold this to a raise and re-raise AFTER our bet IMO...

[tskillz187]

Copernicus is absolutely right here. I think this is an easy fold. He could have any damn thing!Why risk busting out of a tourney with a hand as vulnerable as bottom two. I personally hate bottom 2 pair. Even when you are ahead your opponent usually has an overpair and is drawing to 5 and then 8 outs. Just take small uncontested pots, pressure short stacks and wait for the big stack to mess up when you have a set. The reason over aggressive donkeys get lots of chips in the first place is people see them playing too aggressively and try to make stands in marginal situations, which is counter productive, imo