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[DrTongue]

Trying to figure out what I coulda shoulda here. Coulda pushed hard before the flop, but don't see where that would have necessarily saved me, plus I was after more than 100 chips. Coulda checked the 250, and then I probably would have not ended up out of the tournament, but I didn't put him on anything better than what he had and wanted him to risk the max for drawing out.Oh well. Next time I probably will raise 500 instead of all in just to try to keep alive in case of disaster.NL Hold'em Trny:9053822 Level:1 Blinds (10/15) - Thursday, January 27, 23:22:44 EDT 2005Table 3 - Table(226447) Table #3 (Real Money)Seat 10 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10 Seat 1: beeb10 ( $1175 )Seat 2: Ace_Ryder ( $1350 )Seat 3: rhettandbeca ( $925 )Seat 4: JecieJames ( $735 )Seat 5: rkw5154 ( $1245 )Seat 6: Yankee_Girl1 ( $860 )Seat 7: asm11 ( $775 )Seat 8: azkyle1967 ( $990 )Seat 9: nsaneboi ( $975 )Seat 10: DrTongue ( $970 )Trny:9053822 Level:1Blinds (10/15)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to DrTongue [ As Ad ]rhettandbeca folds.JecieJames calls [15].rkw5154 raises [30].Yankee_Girl1 calls [30].asm11 folds.azkyle1967 folds.nsaneboi calls [30].DrTongue calls [30].beeb10 calls [20].Ace_Ryder calls [15].JecieJames calls [15].** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, 3h, 6s ]beeb10 bets [250].Ace_Ryder folds.JecieJames folds.rkw5154 folds.Yankee_Girl1 folds.nsaneboi folds.DrTongue is all-In [940]beeb10 calls [690].** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]** Dealing River ** [ 5h ]beeb10 shows [ Kh, 6h ] a flush, king high.DrTongue shows [ As, Ad ] a pair of aces.Player DrTongue finished in 28 placebeeb10 wins 2090 chips from the main pot with a flush, king high.DrTongue has left the table.

[the_stein]

nope you deserved it 100%Teaches you to not limp into a 5 way pot with Aces

[CoreyBrown]

Completely agree.Limping 5 way is almost going to always bite you in the butt. HE should not have ever been in that hand, and a simple raise of 5X BB plus 1BB per limper would have gotten a lot of those K crap hands out. Now he hits top pair and put you on a pure steal, or an idiot move. Now he catches a flush because he felt you were playing a steal, or a semi bluff draw. If you had the straight you wouldn't have pushed there, so the thought that you hit the straight already is out of the question. Also pushing with a middle pair looks like a protection push to me. You already had FOUR people in the pot before you limped. That is a NICE pot already for your stack. Have some balls and take it down there. Hell there is a raise already as well, that person might stay in and now you are going heads up with the best pre flop hand possible. I say make it 200 to go right then and there, then with what the pot will be after the flop, you can make an easy decision after that.

[DrTongue]

the_stein said:

nope you deserved it 100%Teaches you to not limp into a 5 way pot with Aces

How so? What would have raising before the flop done for me? It had already been raised so I was getting some value without representing my strength. I didn't want to settle for 100 chips. And if the flop looked dangerous, I would have folded my bullets no problem.Actually it pretty much played out the way I wanted with the exception of the runner runner ending. I would have been satisfied if I hadn't been called but I did have the odds in the end. I'm thinking I should have only raised 500 and not risked elimination.How do you see it playing out if I had raised pre-flop?

[DrTongue]

CoreyBrown said:

You already had FOUR people in the pot before you limped. That is a NICE pot already for your stack. Have some balls and take it down there. Hell there is a raise already as well, that person might stay in and now you are going heads up with the best pre flop hand possible. I say make it 200 to go right then and there, then with what the pot will be after the flop, you can make an easy decision after that.

Good points. I can see that no matter how the hand turns out, this is a better play. Thanks.

[Bonobio]

I'm by far no pro, but just judging from my experiences, the way the hand played also favored anyone with a low pocket pair from limping in. Generally in these NL tourneys, it seems like a lot of people raise the default raise given (which was 30 in this case). That to me doesn't really signify huge strength in a hand, especially when it's only 3% or so of your bankroll. Just encourages more chasers which will catch a set, straight or flush lots of times.