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[KyleStark]

I searched around and I'm suprised I haven't seen the topic on this forum yet.Last nights WSOP NL HE episode:

Card Player update log said:

Title: Webber Kang Eliminated in 4th Place ($175,010)Log:  Hand 153 - Nguyen has the button in seat 1, he moves all in, and Kang calls all in. Gazes stops to consider the situation, contemplating a call himself. He gets up out of his chair to think about it. After a few minutes, Gazes makes the call, and we have three players all in on the same hand. Nguyen has pocket tens (Jd-Jh), Kang has pocket jacks (10h-10c), and Gazes has Ad-Ks. Kang is dominated, while Gazes and Nguyen are in a race situation. A huge crowd has swarmed around the ESPN stage, shouting out the cards they want to see -- a ten, a jack, or an ace. It's a riotous atmosphere, and there are a few minutes before we can even see a flop, with the crowd noise rising higher than it ever has to this point in the World Series.The flop comes Js-10d-2s, and two players make a set, while Gazes has a gut-shot straight draw. It's set-over-set-over-gut-shot-straight-draw. The only cards that will change the outcome at this point are a ten or a queen. The turn card is the 6h, and there are five outs (one ten and four queens) in the deck that will keep Nguyen from winning. The river card is the 9s, and Minh Nguyen scoops most of the pot to eliminate Kang and cripple Gazes on the same hand.Webber Kang is eliminated in fourth place, earning $175,010.

I've been hopping around forums today specifically looking for this discussion because I liked the call and figured there'd be a lot of people that didn't.The Live update log from card player.As I said in total bluff's thread:

myself said:

Yeah most of the time he was going to be slllllliiiiiigttllllyyyyy under 2:1, there's going to be a small % were you are screwed vs AA or KK.So here's the thing. You have a 3X% chance of winning a huge pot and being heads up with a stack you can contend with. so from there lets just say he's even money vs Sief.15% of taking a bracelet by calling.So, if you lay that down, Mihn doubles up, now you have to mess with both mihn and seif with larger stacks than you. I think his chances of winning a bracelet by laying down AK and taking a chance vs seif and mihn there are going to be less than 15%.  Now on the flip side if I was Phil Ivey in that spot and against 3 other goobers I'd lay it down probably (depending on M and when the next level is coming). Even with the blinds escalating phil Ivey would have more than a 15% chance of winning a bracelet at that point. However, Seif is dangerous with a big stack and Mihn, again, is one of the best.  Personally, I would take my 15% and be really happy.

Here's the 2+2 thread also on this.

[KyleStark]

Crap, found the first thread.

[Rocketwadster]

I didnt read the other thread, but here's my thoughts anyhow:Ace King is a drawing hand. Two players have already gone all-in ahead of you. The first guy that went all-in MAY have a hand weaker than ace king, but certainly the second guy wouldn't IMO. The best we could hope for against two players would be a race situation. The prize money differential (although not a factor for some) between third and fourth is probably fairly siginifcant, so why not sit out the probable "race" and come in at least third?

[Swift_Psycho]

Rocketwadster said:

The prize money differential (although not a factor for some) between third and fourth is probably fairly siginifcant, so why not sit out the probable "race" and come in at least third?

I don't think you can use this argument if Bill Gazes was going for the win however.Edit: And to clarify my point of view, I probably fold there as well. Just saying your argument doesn't work if Gazes wants to win.

[zimmer4141]

Yeah, I definitely fold here. The people who say "come on, you have AK, how can you fold?" will never be great tourney players, because you have to learn how to fold AK in tourneys. This is one of those spots.