5/10 w/ lag to left sh'd

[JaysonWeber 0]

5/10 5 handed, have a trouble seat but can't move... So I do what I canCrazy LAG to my left but he's capable of folding to raises, Bets out whenever it's checked to him, capped w/ me preflop w/ pocket dueces already once... So he's going up and down. more down than up.How did I play it?Dealt A 10 in Small Blind, he is BB.Folded to me, I check. He bets, I call...Flop 8 9 3 I check, He Bets, I call.Turn A :spade:I check, He bets, I call w/ intentions of c/r'ing the riverRiver 4 :heart:I check, He Bets, I call..

[No_Neck 0]

Looks good to me.... did you not check raise the end because the flush hit?

[Sysvr4 0]

I'm raise/calling this turn.Jeff

[JaysonWeber 0]

I'm raise/calling this turn.Jeff

Why?

[BeanGW 0]

Donk-bet the turn. You've got the best of it often enough, what's the purpose of giving him a free card when you are very likely ahead?You are OOP. If the draw misses, and he just checks behind you, you are missing value.

[screech 0]

If you're worried about the flush, why no check raise on the turn?IMO, you should either follow through with your river plan, or c/r the turn.

[screech 0]

Donk-bet the turn. You've got the best of it often enough, what's the purpose of giving him a free card when you are very likely ahead?

This guy will bet if checked to.

[screech 0]

IMO, you should either follow through with your river plan, or c/r the turn.

Nm.Just read that he is capable of folding to a raise. I check/call that river card too.I still c/r the turn. We likley have the best hand on a draw filled board.

[BeanGW 0]

This guy will bet if checked to.

If JayWeb is that certain that he will do so, then I am in agreement with you that he's gotta C/R the turn.

[JaysonWeber 0]

Donk-bet the turn. You've got the best of it often enough, what's the purpose of giving him a free card when you are very likely ahead?

Where is the shame in that? Knowing I will gain an extra bet on the river, possibly two (if I c/r on a safe river) into this sized pot (small).Pot size is ~4.5 at the turn (soneone could correct me here I might be wrong.. didn't check) Now, If I play it out and raise this turn, he calls me on a flushdraw, second pair, folds every other bluff/semi-bluff and he's bluffing a lot)If the River is a non-heart the total pot size will be ~8.5if the river is a heart the total pot size will be ~6.5If I choose to raise the turn, or c/r the turn I win a smaller pot, and risk being way behind a big ace and getting 3 bet.Another wa/wb hand don't you think?

[screech 0]

Another wa/wb hand don't you think?

I don't think so.I think it is a likely ahead/could end up behind hand.

[BeanGW 0]

Another wa/wb hand don't you think?

Against a "crazy lag" I'm not worried about him having a stronger A. I think you gotta go with your reads that he's a LAG and therefore you are ahead far more often than you are behind.I think there's less shame in leading the turn and having him fold a smaller pot than letting him hit his flush (or straight) on the river cauz you gave him a freebee.I'd even be more inclined to be slightly more passive if the potential straight draws weren't out there too. There are quite a few potential scare cards that could cauz you to derail your river C/R play.

[Actuary 3]

raise the river.Do you know the chances of him having a flush ????If you would've raised a blank river, raise this one.hope that sounded smart. :?EDITps. not endorsing or condemning the river riase, just saying this card should not impact yuor decision against a this lag

[JaysonWeber 0]

raise the river.Do you know the chances of him having a flush ????If you would've raised a blank river, raise this one.hope that sounded smart. :?EDITps. not endorsing or condemning the river riase, just saying this card should not impact yuor decision against a this lag

No It shouldn't and I should have followed through and c/r the river as well... Some are saying to c/r the turn, that's still an ugly line.

[screech 0]

No It shouldn't and I should have followed through and c/r the river as well... Some are saying to c/r the turn, that's still an ugly line.

Haha.Had it right the first time...I think when the flush draw comes in the river, raising it isn't so good anymore. If he wasn't capable of folding to a raise, I'd like it, since he is, I really don't see you getting called by a worse hand more than 55% of the time.What's so ugly about the turn c/r?

[JaysonWeber 0]

What's so ugly about the turn c/r?My thoughts might be results oriented, the more I think of it.. It's closer to Neutral EV so c/r the river and c/calling when that heart comes.The Turn C/R is ugly because he's bluffing on the river, this guy WILL fire a third shell.

[screech 0]

The Turn C/R is ugly because he's bluffing on the river, this guy WILL fire a third shell.

More reason not to raise the river then. I really feel passive lately...

[JaysonWeber 0]

The Turn C/R is ugly because he's bluffing on the river, this guy WILL fire a third shell.

More reason not to raise the river then. I really feel passive lately...

Something to be said about it, often it's correct...I've been putting up a lot of passive hands lately to stir up some good discussion.

[avsfan 0]

I would have raised preflop. Imo. Where you up to something?

[JaysonWeber 0]

I would have raised preflop. Imo. Where you up to something?

Yes, Letting a Lag take control of the hand w/ an inferior holding. A little Metagame Thinking I guess.

[screech 0]

I would have raised preflop. Imo. Where you up to something?

Crazy LAG

OOP, he's probably going to raise anyway, and continue to bet his chips away if checked too.

[Actuary 3]

Haha.Had it right the first time...I think when the flush draw comes in the river, raising it isn't so good anymore. If he wasn't capable of folding to a raise, I'd like it, since he is, I really don't see you getting called by a worse hand more than 55% of the time.

u can put the chances of him having the flush at less than the chances of him folding a better hand.Thus representing the flush (as we easily could be with our c/c'ing) might get a fold once in a while from a better hand. This outweighs the chance that he'll raise with a better handI see the main potential problem with c/r as the c part, not the r part. But if we know he'll bet, then great.

[screech 0]

u can put the chances of him having the flush at less than the chances of him folding a better hand.Thus representing the flush (as we easily could be with our c/c'ing) might get a fold once in a while from a better hand.  This outweighs the chance that he'll raise with a better handI see the main potential problem with c/r as the c part, not the r part.  But if we know he'll bet, then great.

I like your thought process on this hand.I gotta go now, but I'll run some numbers by it later. I still think c/ring the river might be wrong, but who knows.

[joeltebbutt 0]

By c/r the turn you are going to either lose a bigger pot when your when your behind or win a smaller pot when your ahead. Check/call the turn and check/raise the river.

[screech 0]

Ok, I ran some numbers and this is what I came up with (the call and fold %'s are when you raise the river):Hand - Hand % - Fold % (total) - Call % (total)AK-AJ - 10 - 25 (2.5) - 75 (7.5)2 pair - 10 - 5 (0.5) - 95 (9.5)Set - 5 - 0 (0) - 100 (5)Flush - 15 - 0 (0) - 100 (15)AT - 2 - 30 (0.6) - 70 (1.4)A7-A5 - 10 - 40 (4) - 60 (6)A2 - 3 - 50 (1.5) - 50(1.5)Other pair - 15 - 80 (12) - 20 (3)Everything Else - 30 - 0 (0) - 100 (30)EV of Calling40% x (-1BB) + 60% x (5BB) = 2.6BBEV of Raising3% x (5BB) + 37% (-2BB) + 0.6% x (5BB) + 1.4% x (3BB) + 10.5% x (6BB) + 17.5% x (5BB) + 30% x (5BB) = 2.49BBIt's close. But given these numbers, calling is better.