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[JacKingOff_suit]

FCP,http://www.fullconta...pic.php?t=288422+2, http://forumserver.t...=&view=&sb=5&o=The choice is yours, my friends.

[Kendren]

WowSmash, go ahead and PM this guy your Party handle. Let him buddy list you if that's the advice he's looking for."Shove this flop"? You're drawing to NOTHING. No matter what you make, you're dodging cards the entire way. Nut low, probably quartered. heart or pair kills you. Let it go.But all the guy wanted to hear was his repot/push was right. That's it. And if the other guy had Ah3hJxJx, well, sorry. You just got destacked.

[JacKingOff_suit]

Smash, go ahead and PM this guy your Party handle. They can't afford to play at 2k level. If they can, they will get killed fast, Smash has won 40k alone from Wintermute, the expert at 2+2 forum.

[mk]

I don't care if Sklansky himself says Smash is wrong on this one. He's not.You're PRAYING for a coinflip.

[JacKingOff_suit]

Just to make it clear, Smash. I treasure everything you contributed at the plo8 forum. Sometime the best advice and truth is hard to take by the many "ego-players".

[KappaKid83]

Your avatar bothers me. Bah.JEFF

[Kendren]

JacKingOff_suit said:

 Smash, go ahead and PM this guy your Party handle. They can't afford to play at 2k level. If they can, they will get killed fast, Smash has won 40k alone from Wintermute, the expert at 2+2 forum.

I believe that. I just can't believe the people over there, especially "If this isn't your ideal flop, what is?" guy. Amazing.

KappaKid83 said:

Your avatar bothers me. Bah.

This, I have to agree with. She has 2 ass cracks?

[Swift_Psycho]

benwood wrote: "First, go back to the other site.Look up the guy who told you that this is an easy fold.Then tell him what a genius he is, & start playing with your new "buddy" whenever you get a chance."I dunno about you guys, but I think a heads-up match between dank and Smash in PLO8 would be very entertaining to watch.

[JacKingOff_suit]

C'mon you guys, why didn't Smash's ugly midget avatar bother you guys but my beautiful 3-assed fair lady did? Not fair, because it was Smash's? I haven't shown her three tits yet....

[Kendren]

Nah, midgets are da shizzle. 2-3 assed ladies are just creepy, dude.EDIT: Must say, tho, the 2 asses on those new ladies could be nice. Good choice to replace.

[JacKingOff_suit]

OK, is my new avatar better now? Happy?I don't really bother to post at 2+2 (I like them to play that way, EVERY TIME!), let's look at some stats first.Js 5s 3c Ad 0.253Ac 5d Ah 3h 0.747Js 5s 3c Ad 0.327Jc Ah Jh 3h 0.673Js 5s 3c Ad 0.4896c 5d Ah 3h 0.511Js 5s 3c Ad 0.406Jc Jh 5h 3h 0.594Js 5s 3c Ad 0.3654d 2d Ah 3h 0.635Js 5s 3c Ad 0.4453s 2s Ac Ah 0.555and much much more, more than you know.... For those 2+2 experts who argue to push, they forget one fundamental thing here (yeah they are good at calculating the odds at chasing HALF of the pot). If Hero is against a solid button player, Hero either wins/ties for a small pot, or he's risking his stack to be 1/4d or scooped. Button has much more control over the bet size here, he could elect to fold to lose a small pot here, but if he has a monster say A234ds with hearts, A3JJ... he is in for a nice treat.Winning a minimum while risking to lose a maximum is always welcomed at PLO8.

[garamond10pt]

I don't play much PLO8, how much does this change if you have position?If he pots it, do you fold/call/repot? (If repot, I assume you fold to another repot)

[JacKingOff_suit]

how much does this change if you have position? If he pots it, do you fold/call/repot? (If repot, I assume you fold to another repot)You need to restate your question in more details please. Who's he? Hero or the button.I assumed "he" means Button here.First, I won't even bother to bet on the flop because I wasn't last to act. Then if button potted it, I would fold because 1, I was OOP so I had little control over the pot size that I can win/lose. 2, I didn't have a huge edge on this flop so I don't want to risk my stack to win half of it or on a coin flip AT BEST against a solid player.I would rather wait for a better edged flop for 3/4ing/ scooping because a lot of players will defend half of their pots, and they are so good at calculating the odds of defending their lows only.Edited:Now if I've played against Button before and knew that he's a very very poor player, then I would check call his pot-sized bet and see what's developing on the turn.

[Kendren]

Jac, it took me three reads to agree with you. Your avatar makes me feel tingly. I like.but even if our positions are reversed, I probably fold to the pot bet. I'd rather do that than fold to a heart or pair turn, or God forbid, repot an Ax turn ($36) and have to call the $72 river when the heart or pair comes. This is why I play limit, makes chasing more palatable. I'm fishy, so I stay where it won't kill me all at once.Incidentally, if this WERE limit, I'm saying bet/call all the way to the river unless the heart/pair comes. That's how different FLO and PLO are.

[Chamonyx]

JacKingOff_suit said:

OK, is my new avatar better now? Happy?I don't really bother to post at 2+2 (I like them to play that way, EVERY TIME!), let's look at some stats first.Js 5s 3c Ad 0.253Ac 5d Ah 3h 0.747Js 5s 3c Ad 0.327Jc Ah Jh 3h 0.673Js 5s 3c Ad 0.4896c 5d Ah 3h 0.511Js 5s 3c Ad 0.406Jc Jh 5h 3h 0.594Js 5s 3c Ad 0.3654d 2d Ah 3h 0.635Js 5s 3c Ad 0.4453s 2s Ac Ah 0.555and much much more, more than you know.... For those 2+2 experts who argue to push, they forget one fundamental thing here (yeah they are good at calculating the odds at chasing HALF of the pot). If Hero is against a solid button player, Hero either wins/ties for a small pot, or he's risking his stack to be 1/4d or scooped. Button has much more control over the bet size here, he could elect to fold to lose a small pot here, but if he has a monster say A234ds with hearts, A3JJ... he is in for a nice treat.Winning a minimum while risking to lose a maximum is always welcomed at PLO8.

We know he has A3 with hearts. If one of his other 2 cards is a 2,4,5 or J then we are behind.FWIW, I would call his re-raise, buying an option to see the turn. I would pot any non heart that gives a low, check fold any heart except A (very surprising) or 3 which I would call down. I would chck call any non-heart high card.

[Smasharoo]

I don't play much PLO8, how much does this change if you have position? Yup.The 2+2 PLO8 forums are laregely a joke and largely why the games on Party continue to be so stunningly soft at all limits.good luck.

[Rocketwadster]

.50-$1 PLO8 Dank has A 3 5 J from the cutoff. I open limp, button calls, blinds call/check. Flop is 2 4 J . 2 checks, I bet the pot, $4, button re-pots to $16, blinds fold, back on me, Dank... Now, I'm no expert, and I honestly believe that there can be more than one right answer to many of the hands that are posted and commented on for this site, but that usually only pertains to limit games. PL and NL games are a totally different ball of wax when it comes to what the "proper" course of action is...I copied the hand over without the suits, and look how the situation changes when you dont have to worry about those pesky flushes...However, once you take those flush cards into consideration, it should be fairly easy to see what you should do here.You have to call $8 right now. If there was no more betting allowed (say everyone was all-in with your call of $8), the following occurs (BTW, if the math is wrong, who cares, just fix it and continue with where I am going from this):If you scoop, you win $24 by calling $8. (profit of $16 - ignore the fact that you put in $1 plus $4 before)If you get half, you win $12 by calling $8. (profit of $4)If you get 3/4, you win $18 by calling $8. (profit of $10)If you get 1/4, you win $6 by calling $8. (loss of $2)Now, you just have to figure out what the odds are of each of the above occuring, without knowing what your opponent's hand is...good luck with that.So, after you have figured out what the odds of each of the above are, go back to the real world and figure out what the implied profits/losses will be, since there still is money to be used on the turn and river. Rinse and repeat.I have no idea if any of that makes sense, so don't bother reading it (if you already did, tsk tsk tsk)To me, if the flop was a rainbow, easy call or push, but since it wasnt, AND we don't have the flush draw to go with our hand, seems like an easy fold.BTW - I don't think you should have bet that flop. 8)

[WonderfulSplash]

JacKingOff_suit said:

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Wow.Im going to immediately stop reading the plo8 hands at 2+2. Not a single person thought it was correct to fold.

[Mendacious]

I'd love to see some evidence that Smash has won $40k off or Wintermute.

[ahosang]

No big deal. As long as you don't call, you're doing OK, though a fold is preferred against a tighter player or maybe with no read. Against typical bad players, the 2+2 line is OK.The more 2 groups argue about something, the less an issue it is.Also - to everybody, I'd worry more about how much you are winning, rather than Smasharoo or anybody else...