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[Pancake407]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP with T:spade:, A:club:. 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: (6 SB) K:diamond:, K:club:, T:club: (3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.Turn: (4 BB) 4:diamond: (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.River: (6 BB) 2:club: (2 players)SB checks, Hero checks.Final Pot: 6 BBShould I be checking the turn?Should I have value bet the river?

[CobaltBlue]

Looks fine to me. Bet the turn. He might call you with a worse ten on the river, but with the flush draw coming in and a paired board, checking's the safer move.

[BeanGW]

Should I be checking the turn? NopeShould I have value bet the river? Probably yes.

[Abbaddabba]

That's pretty standard. If the guy has shown himself to be particularly loose/weak, you should valuebet the river. Since it's .50/1, i'd value bet absent of a read to suggest he's _not_ a typical .50/1 player.The stronger the game is, the less inclined i am to value bet the river. The turn is a bet no matter what though. If you get check/raised, take it from there.

[speedz99]

Turn is an obvious bet.I don't like betting the river. These are the options...1. he folds 2. he calls or raises with flush3. he calls with a weak 10Option one is the most likely, and I think options two and three are about even. I say check.EDIT: eh, I'm actually not sure...maybe value bet is best

[Abbaddabba]

This is .50/1. Players typically call down with any pair, and occasionally ace high in this situation.Occasionally you'll even get a queen high caller.Seriously. You can't afford to miss those bets at .50/1.

[screech]

Bet if you're sure he won't raise with a worse hand.Otherwise, check.

[Nutcracker]

screech said:

Bet if you're sure he won't raise with a worse hand.Otherwise, check.

It's party .5/1, you can't be sure of anything. Hell, he might raise with A3 thinking he hit his wraparound straight

[Pancake407]

if i do bet that river, and get raised do i call or fold

[speedz99]

Pancake407 said:

if i do bet that river, and get raised do i call or fold

Oh god, don't even think about folding. He might have sucked out on you with the clubs or slowplayed a king, but you can't fold in this situation. If you were thinking you would fold to a raise, you should definately check it through.

[shpaget]

bet the river.so many guys at this level will call A high at the river....Hell, I've seen QJ call the river on almost the exact board (KKTxx).If you get raised, I probably fold - it would be pretty ballsy to bluff this river. Do you think you can call a raise and win 1 in 10 times?I suppose some whackos would raise this with QT genuinely believing they have the best hand, but not enough to pay off the number of times a raise really does beat you.

[Actuary]

I check.JJ/QQ also beats us.He might be reeeeeaaallly passive. :-) Plus, pots too small to have to sweat calling a raise.Maybe randomize..could be ok either way.I don't like to always bet or always check...if he was looking to c/r here..he'll learn to be more str8 forward next time. lol...ok not at .5/1...jmo. But I might be a sissy.

[screech]

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I check. JJ/QQ also beats us. He might be reeeeeaaallly passive.

If he's really passive, he could have 99,88,77,66....I think we're good often enough here to make a bet profitable. Honestly, if I'm raised, I can throw my hand away. There's a lot of donks at this level sure, but a river raise on this board means your beat around 95% of the time. Unless I knew my opponent was tricky, or just played very strangely, I would bet/fold here.

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Plus, pots too small to have to sweat calling a raise.

Pot size has nothing to do with making a value bet in last position. For me, the small pot size makes this play better because it's easier for me to release my hand if I'm raised.Here's another way to think of it. Let's assume he does not have a king (a pretty reasonable assumption). If you had the same hand and the board was:T 3 2 9:diamond: 7 Would you value bet or would you check because the flush just came in?

[looshle]

Betting this river against an unknown is pretty bad.The only thing you can get value out of is a weaker 10 really and there's probably just as good a chance of the villian having a K or flush as having a 10.You only get 1 bb of value out of a T, but you lost 2 bb to a K or a flush so you have to be up against a T more than 1/3 of the time just to break even.With no reads, it's an EASY check.

[screech]

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there's probably just as good a chance of the villian having a K or flush as having a 10.

So wouldn't that make our bet even money if we bet/fold?I know there's a chance he's bluffing, but I think this is close to zero at this level. River bluffs are very uncommon.I think he could be calling down with a smaller pp here often enough to make a bet/fold valuable.Of course, I've been advocating bet/fold a lot recently. I could just be in a rut.

[HoosierAlum]

Bet this river. At .50/1.00 I don't even think its that close.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

HoosierAlum said:

Bet this river.  At .50/1.00 I don't even think its that close.

After just getting my ass handed to me at 1/2 last night... one thing I learned is that rivers I straight up auto-bet got checkraised by river rats.It's making me re-evaluate my stance on river bets because they were so wildly profitable for me at .50/1.At .50/1, which I have a lot of experience playing on Party... I'm confident a value bet is more than profitable.

[screech]

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Here's another way to think of it. Let's assume he does not have a king (a pretty reasonable assumption). If you had the same hand and the board was:  T  3  2  9 7  Would you value bet or would you check because the flush just came in?

Anyone who advocates checking care to answer this?

[Abbaddabba]

Wow.Some of you dont play .50/1 very often, do you.You wont get called with less than a ten?That's absolutely not true.If i get checkraised on the river, i fold.

[Actuary]

screech,value bet yuor example.I'm not sure about the OP..I'm leanig to value bet today.Like I said, I would do it sometimes. Maybe getting c/r'd just bothers me too much; and it's effecting my profits. Am I the only one that thinks my callers are on good draws or better hands and are just waitng to c/r me? Instead you find out more often they had complete crap. Also, I've noticed when I'm running bad that I'd rather be chasing a draw than betting TPTK...it's less stressful and easier to handle disppointment.