Devilkin 0 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 I've been trying to improve my game lately by sensing when I feel I'm beat and saving a bet or two here or there, but this hand I think I may have gone overboard. Comments added in the history.PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [Jd], [Js]. UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.25. 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls.Cap PF with jacks, or just call the raise and reraise and see a flop?Flop: (13 SB) [Th], [5c], [Ts] (4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB folds, Hero folds.Bet out to find out where I am - initial better seemed not to fear the paired tens on the board, so either he has a ten (such as ATs), or a higher pocket pair than me. Fold it here, raise to force the issue or call and see another card?Final Pot: 8 BB Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 this is a very weak fold.people do this all day with AK-AJ/KQ-KJ as well as 99-66.aseem Link to post Share on other sites
Devilkin 0 Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Then whats the play here? Call or raise? Link to post Share on other sites
Vade 0 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Just calling the three bet preflop out of position is fine.On the flop, this is such an easy three-bet. This is about the best flop you could hope for Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Then whats the play here? Call or raise?call.bet/call a non-(Q/K/A) turn, check/call a (Q/K/A) turn.depending on action and river card, check/call or bet/call river.aseem Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Just calling the three bet preflop out of position is fine.On the flop, this is such an easy three-bet. This is about the best flop you could hope forthree-betting is semi-spewing, but it's not terrible.this is mostly a wa/wb situation, but the fact that we are vulnerable to overcards means we want to bet/call each street instead of check/call it.aseem Link to post Share on other sites
Devilkin 0 Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Just calling the three bet preflop out of position is fine.On the flop, this is such an easy three-bet. This is about the best flop you could hope forExactly what I was thinking about it being a good flop for me - wasn't expecting to be raised.Gametime had him rated as Tight/Passive, so I'm respecting his raise a bit more than normal. But after the fold, I did kick myself for being too passive myself.Dev Link to post Share on other sites
Devilkin 0 Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Then whats the play here? Call or raise?call.bet/call a non-(Q/K/A) turn, check/call a (Q/K/A) turn.depending on action and river card, check/call or bet/call river.aseemMakes sense - thanks for the input. Link to post Share on other sites
Vade 0 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Just calling the three bet preflop out of position is fine.On the flop, this is such an easy three-bet. This is about the best flop you could hope forthree-betting is semi-spewing, but it's not terrible.this is mostly a wa/wb situation, but the fact that we are vulnerable to overcards means we want to bet/call each street instead of check/call it.aseemThis is a good point. I still like three betting, but aseem has good logic Link to post Share on other sites
LaydownKing 0 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 This is not a WA/WB situation. If villain has a 5, he has 5 outs, and if he has overcards he has up to 6... Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 This is not a WA/WB situation. If villain has a 5, he has 5 outs, and if he has overcards he has up to 6...if villian has a 5, he has two outs.if villian has an overpair, we have two outs.and if you had properly read my posts, i mentioned that because we are vulnerable to overcards, bet/call is better than check/call.aseem Link to post Share on other sites
LaydownKing 0 Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 This is not a WA/WB situation. If villain has a 5, he has 5 outs, and if he has overcards he has up to 6...if villian has a 5, he has two outs.if villian has an overpair, we have two outs.and if you had properly read my posts, i mentioned that because we are vulnerable to overcards, bet/call is better than check/call.aseemYou're right. Link to post Share on other sites
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