ds aa pf decision

[KDawgCometh 2]

Party .50BB 6 max(6 handed). PLO Hisb-$46.4BB(hero)-161.9utg-217.4MP-66CO-45.9Button-45.4utg is fairly solid from what I can tell, CO has been raising PF left and right for the past couple of roundsPF- hero has 7 A 2 A utg limps, MP limps, CO raises pot to 2.75, button calls 2.75, sb calls 2.50, Hero?I'm OOP, but should I be repotting it here. Button has shown a willingness to go to the river when he raises PF, which makes me want to just call and then see if I can pick up a flush draw or set of aces before proceeding in this big pot

[CobaltBlue 662]

Assuming PLO8, I don't mind just seeing a flop OOP.

[KDawgCometh 2]

Assuming PLO8, I don't mind just seeing a flop OOP.

this is PLO, I don't play PLO8

[Smasharoo 0]

Slam it now if you're going to play this hand out of position.Good luck.

[KappaKid83 0]

Agreed with Smash, you need to pump it here. If the Button is gonna call all the way to the end then make him pay for it now.JEFF

[Rocketwadster 0]

I don't think you should let all those people see a flop for cheap against your great hand here. May as well pump it up, putting most of your opponents basically all-in pre-flop... 8)

[Steppin Razor 0]

I usually don't like to re-raise because it screams AA, but here, I'd do it to make it two cold for utg. If he's decent and acting after you, try to get rid of him.

[KDawgCometh 2]

I don't think you should let all those people see a flop for cheap against your great hand here. May as well pump it up, putting most of your opponents basically all-in pre-flop... 8)

the thing is, this is PLO, my hand is never more then a 50% favorite over the field's hands, so it isn't as great as you think it is, and I'm OOP, which makes a massive difference. Also, I don't have any connecting cards, and this isn't PLO8, so its not like I have the nut low draw to draw to either

[Rocketwadster 0]

I don't think you should let all those people see a flop for cheap against your great hand here. May as well pump it up, putting most of your opponents basically all-in pre-flop... 8)

the thing is, this is PLO, my hand is never more then a 50% favorite over the field's hands, so it isn't as great as you think it is, and I'm OOP, which makes a massive difference. Also, I don't have any connecting cards, and this isn't PLO8, so its not like I have the nut low draw to draw to either

I agree completely, however, the majority of your opponents are short-stacked compared to you right now, so my thoughts are that by making them commit to almost their entire stack right now pre-flop will get them to fold or go-all-in, making it easier for you to play on the flop (if your opponents are all-in now you don't have a tough decision). I am still learning this game, so take my "thoughts" with a grain of salt, as that MAY be the worst thing to do in this situation... :?

[KDawgCometh 2]

I don't think you should let all those people see a flop for cheap against your great hand here. May as well pump it up, putting most of your opponents basically all-in pre-flop... 8)

the thing is, this is PLO, my hand is never more then a 50% favorite over the field's hands, so it isn't as great as you think it is, and I'm OOP, which makes a massive difference. Also, I don't have any connecting cards, and this isn't PLO8, so its not like I have the nut low draw to draw to either

I agree completely, however, the majority of your opponents are short-stacked compared to you right now, so my thoughts are that by making them commit to almost their entire stack right now pre-flop will get them to fold or go-all-in, making it easier for you to play on the flop (if your opponents are all-in now you don't have a tough decision). I am still learning this game, so take my "thoughts" with a grain of salt, as that MAY be the worst thing to do in this situation... :?

I can't push in, I can only repot it up to another ~$15 approx. THey aren't that short stacked for the game though, I just happen to be very deep stacked right now. THe villian has shown a propensity for taking his PF raises to the river, to which I don't really like being OOP then. I don't know if he would fold to a repot on my part, but I'm almost certain that I'd be able to get almost everyone else to fold to a repotting

[Rocketwadster 0]

I don't think you should let all those people see a flop for cheap against your great hand here. May as well pump it up, putting most of your opponents basically all-in pre-flop... 8)

the thing is, this is PLO, my hand is never more then a 50% favorite over the field's hands, so it isn't as great as you think it is, and I'm OOP, which makes a massive difference. Also, I don't have any connecting cards, and this isn't PLO8, so its not like I have the nut low draw to draw to either

I agree completely, however, the majority of your opponents are short-stacked compared to you right now, so my thoughts are that by making them commit to almost their entire stack right now pre-flop will get them to fold or go-all-in, making it easier for you to play on the flop (if your opponents are all-in now you don't have a tough decision). I am still learning this game, so take my "thoughts" with a grain of salt, as that MAY be the worst thing to do in this situation... :?

I can't push in, I can only repot it up to another ~$15 approx. THey aren't that short stacked for the game though, I just happen to be very deep stacked right now. THe villian has shown a propensity for taking his PF raises to the river, to which I don't really like being OOP then. I don't know if he would fold to a repot on my part, but I'm almost certain that I'd be able to get almost everyone else to fold to a repotting

You are correct about not getting them "all in" like I indicated, but I think it would be enough to put them to a decision, which would work in your favour I think.Is it better to be against one opponent with a good hand OOP, or multiple opponents with a good hand OOP?

[Steppin Razor 0]

I can't push in, I can only repot it up to another ~$15 approx. THey aren't that short stacked for the game though, I just happen to be very deep stacked right now. THe villian has shown a propensity for taking his PF raises to the river, to which I don't really like being OOP then. I don't know if he would fold to a repot on my part, but I'm almost certain that I'd be able to get almost everyone else to fold to a repotting

Isn't the pot ~$10? Villain sounds too loose to give up on this hand. I still think you want to play this hand against him, but get rid of the solid player. What about a 2/3 pot bet?

[KDawgCometh 2]

I can't push in, I can only repot it up to another ~$15 approx. THey aren't that short stacked for the game though, I just happen to be very deep stacked right now. THe villian has shown a propensity for taking his PF raises to the river, to which I don't really like being OOP then. I don't know if he would fold to a repot on my part, but I'm almost certain that I'd be able to get almost everyone else to fold to a repotting

Isn't the pot ~$10? Villain sounds too loose to give up on this hand. I still think you want to play this hand against him, but get rid of the solid player. What about a 2/3 pot bet?

the pot is at 11.25 before it gets to me, so there is my 2.25 call+pot raise, which puts it at about 15

[CobaltBlue 662]

We've got a decent starting hand for PLO (it'd obviously be much better for PLO8), but I'm not sure it's quite worth it to pot it pre-flop OOP.

[Petoria 0]

We've got a decent starting hand for PLO (it'd obviously be much better for PLO8), but I'm not sure it's quite worth it to pot it pre-flop OOP.

Then what do you want to do, fold? I dont see how that's good, bc if your folding DS AA here at .25/.50 PLO, then you're way too tight.To the OP, if you dont want to gamble with DS A's OOP, then you're playing the wrong game. I think repotting is your only option. You've gotta believe that the cold callers are weak, bc....well....it's .50BB PLO on Party. Folding is weak, calling leaves you in bad position with a vulnerable hand. Repotting also probably gets rid of the only guy at the table that can bust you. I like pushing. Also, maybe someone could explain how you would play this in a higher limit game?

[KDawgCometh 2]

We've got a decent starting hand for PLO (it'd obviously be much better for PLO8), but I'm not sure it's quite worth it to pot it pre-flop OOP.

Then what do you want to do, fold? I dont see how that's good, bc if your folding DS AA here at .25/.50 PLO, then you're way too tight.To the OP, if you dont want to gamble with DS A's OOP, then you're playing the wrong game. I think repotting is your only option. You've gotta believe that the cold callers are weak, bc....well....it's .50BB PLO on Party. Folding is weak, calling leaves you in bad position with a vulnerable hand. Repotting also probably gets rid of the only guy at the table that can bust you. I like pushing. Also, maybe someone could explain how you would play this in a higher limit game?

folding isn't an option, and I think you are overrating how strong this exact hand is. I don't have any decent straight draws to go along with it. Lets break the hand down, I have AA-cool, I have A7s-aight, I have A7o-not cool, I have A2s-meh but workable, I have A2o-crap, I have 72o-complete crap. Do you see where my problem lies in this hand

[akishore 0]

if:a) the stacks were shorter, orB) you can be confident that the preflop raiser will repot if you pot it right nowi would prefer potting.but really, i completely agree with you that your hand isn't that strong most of the time postflop.it's true that you have an equity edge preflop, but it is a very small one, and it's only really relevant if your pot right now gets you to showdown right away.i prefer just calling. pot is already big enough that if you flop something good, you can take control. if you could pot it enough to put you all-in, or enough to put most/some of the table (nearly) all-in, go for it.aseem

[Petoria 0]

We've got a decent starting hand for PLO (it'd obviously be much better for PLO8), but I'm not sure it's quite worth it to pot it pre-flop OOP.

Then what do you want to do, fold? I dont see how that's good, bc if your folding DS AA here at .25/.50 PLO, then you're way too tight.To the OP, if you dont want to gamble with DS A's OOP, then you're playing the wrong game. I think repotting is your only option. You've gotta believe that the cold callers are weak, bc....well....it's .50BB PLO on Party. Folding is weak, calling leaves you in bad position with a vulnerable hand. Repotting also probably gets rid of the only guy at the table that can bust you. I like pushing. Also, maybe someone could explain how you would play this in a higher limit game?

folding isn't an option, and I think you are overrating how strong this exact hand is. I don't have any decent straight draws to go along with it. Lets break the hand down, I have AA-cool, I have A7s-aight, I have A7o-not cool, I have A2s-meh but workable, I have A2o-crap, I have 72o-complete crap. Do you see where my problem lies in this hand

I definitely hate playing AAxx OOP. I want to repot, not bc of strength, but to isolate. You're freerolling on almost any other AA. With a pot so big already, I'd be content to take it down, or push on a "safe" flop if you do get HU.

[greatwhite 0]

Despite the 2,7 AA is the best had unless someone else has a higher AA. You are a pretty good favortie against most random hands and should raise it up a bit.

[akishore 0]

I definitely hate playing AAxx OOP.  I want to repot, not bc of strength, but to isolate.  You're freerolling on almost any other AA.  With a pot so big already, I'd be content to take it down, or push on a "safe" flop if you do get HU.

while i agree with this train of thought, i think there are a lot of hazy flops where we have no clue if we have the best hand.in a sense, the reverse implied odds of this hand are fairly big, and even if we get it heads-up, the pot is so big and we still have considerable money left over that i believe repotting loses money (or at least makes considerably less money) compared to flat-calling.aseem

[Petoria 0]

Despite the 2,7 AA is the best had unless someone else has a higher AA. You are a pretty good favortie against most random hands and should raise it up a bit.

Think about what I highlighted and comeback with a more clear train of thought. And a reason why this isnt possible.

[Petoria 0]

I definitely hate playing AAxx OOP.  I want to repot, not bc of strength, but to isolate.  You're freerolling on almost any other AA.  With a pot so big already, I'd be content to take it down, or push on a "safe" flop if you do get HU.

while i agree with this train of thought, i think there are a lot of hazy flops where we have no clue if we have the best hand.in a sense, the reverse implied odds of this hand are fairly big, and even if we get it heads-up, the pot is so big and we still have considerable money left over that i believe repotting loses money (or at least makes considerably less money) compared to flat-calling.aseem

I like the way you think aseem. Your clear reasoning has caused me to change my position, now I realize that DS AA should be played like a flop or drop hand with so many ppl playing and the disadvantage of being OOP. I can understand how this plays at a higher limit table, but does it still apply as much at .50BB at Party?

[KDawgCometh 2]

I definitely hate playing AAxx OOP. I want to repot, not bc of strength, but to isolate. You're freerolling on almost any other AA. With a pot so big already, I'd be content to take it down, or push on a "safe" flop if you do get HU.

while i agree with this train of thought, i think there are a lot of hazy flops where we have no clue if we have the best hand.in a sense, the reverse implied odds of this hand are fairly big, and even if we get it heads-up, the pot is so big and we still have considerable money left over that i believe repotting loses money (or at least makes considerably less money) compared to flat-calling.aseem

I like the way you think aseem. Your clear reasoning has caused me to change my position, now I realize that DS AA should be played like a flop or drop hand with so many ppl playing and the disadvantage of being OOP. I can understand how this plays at a higher limit table, but does it still apply as much at .50BB at Party?

it applies at a lot of tables, especially given my read of the PF raiser, to me that is sometime that you are ignoring, and that is a major part of how I played the hand like I did. Aces in PLO aren't ever as much of a favorite against the vast majority of hands, and one of the biggest mistakes that people make is to overplay them, my position also blows massive chunks in this hand too. THere are a lot of factors to consider in playing this hand

[Smasharoo 0]

i prefer just callingHorrible.Folding is much much much better than calling here.This is really a pretty easy fold for me in the BB. You guys seem convinced that you should be playing it for a raise out of position because of a marginal equity advantage against *most* hands. I'd tend to disagree. You can take a shot at re-potting here if you're determined to play it. Calling is, again, abysmally bad.good luck.

[Rocketwadster 0]

i prefer just callingHorrible.Folding is much much much better than calling here.This is really a pretty easy fold for me in the BB. You guys seem convinced that you should be playing it for a raise out of position because of a marginal equity advantage against *most* hands. I'd tend to disagree. You can take a shot at re-potting here if you're determined to play it. Calling is, again, abysmally bad.good luck.

I think I nailed it days ago... 8)