i'm new to omaha.

[Adam 0]

I'm VERY new to Omaha, but thought I played it okay? Agh, I don't know. I love to analyze and find out how I can play certain situations better. I'll post results later.How would you play this? Seat 1: Gaborit ($93 in chips) Seat 2: Hipcheck81 ($96.70 in chips) Seat 3: dirtybizah [7H,AD,8H,3S] ($90.35 in chips) Seat 4: designguy74 ($119 in chips) Seat 5: OpieWan ($22.90 in chips) Seat 6: -Zarathustra ($79 in chips) Seat 9: THENUTCAT ($102.80 in chips) ANTES/BLINDSHipcheck81 posts blind ($1), dirtybizah posts blind ($1).PRE-FLOPdesignguy74 folds, OpieWan folds, -Zarathustra folds, THENUTCAT calls $1, Gaborit folds, Hipcheck81 checks, dirtybizah checks.FLOP [board cards AC,3C,3H ]Hipcheck81 checks, dirtybizah bets $2, THENUTCAT calls $2, Hipcheck81 folds.TURN [board cards AC,3C,3H,QH ]dirtybizah bets $4, THENUTCAT calls $4.RIVER [board cards AC,3C,3H,QH,QC ]dirtybizah checks, THENUTCAT bets $15, dirtybizah bets $30, THENUTCAT bets $80.80 and is all-in, dirtybizah calls $53.35 and is all-in.[/b][/i]

[Swift_Psycho 1]

RIVER [board cards AC,3C,3H,QH,QC ]dirtybizah checks, THENUTCAT bets $15, dirtybizah bets $30...

Why?

[WonderfulSplash 0]

You should be folding this river against most opponents and never raising.

[Adam 0]

RIVER [board cards AC,3C,3H,QH,QC ]dirtybizah checks, THENUTCAT bets $15, dirtybizah bets $30...

Why?

I'm new to this board, and don't know the whole "quote" things, so hopefully this works.I check raised the river because I thought he had hit a flush and would've paid me off for 15 more. Honestly. That's what I thought.HOWEVER, being a new person to omaha, I just couldn't get away from my hand when he raised because I couldn't put him on A-A because of the no raise preflop, and hitting runner runner Queens just seemed very very unlikely. It took me the full time to call when I did, so don't think it was an instant call.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

I'd move to much lower limits while you're trying to learn this game.I don't mean that as an insult, just a friendly piece of advice...to you and your bankroll.

[Adam 0]

I'd move to much lower limits while you're trying to learn this game.I don't mean that as an insult, just a friendly piece of advice...to you and your bankroll.

I agree, but I also believe that playing against better players, you learn and become better, faster. I only bought in for $35, and got up to $90 by playing very very solidly, by playing only maybe 30% of my hands. This one hand was just a disaster because it wasn't a hand I'd play normally, but I was just in the BB at the wrong time.Also, another excuse I have... I have a mac and the only service that works is pokerroom. They have a .50-.50 and 1-1 table that are both usually full. I just chose the latter.But yeah, I should probably be playing the .50-.50, but I feel comfortable at the 1-1.

[Sluggo 0]

playing only maybe 30% of my handsHi.That's ludicrous. Try 15% V$IP.Good luck.

[Smasharoo 0]

I'd move to much lower limits while you're trying to learn this game.I don't mean that as an insult, just a friendly piece of advice...to you and your bankroll.Party $2k buy in is the best place to learn PLO8 if anyone was wondering.

[Fnava621 0]

imi new to limit would you suggest starting out with 10-20 llmit 6 max at party?Thats 10-20 six maxParty poker.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Adam...the board is double paired. You really think he's betting into you/paying you off with a flush?You need stronger hands in Omaha. And not everyone raises AAxx pre-flop. It's dumb to raise it every time, because it's usually like a big flashing sign that says, "I have aces!" If you limp, you can hit a flop like this and get someone with an underfull to pay you off.Let's look at the hands that beat you, Adam...AAxxQQxxAQxxSo you're check-raising the fourth nuts on the river (after your opponent has been calling you down the whole way). Not good.On the river, fold > call > raise.

[lboarts 0]

I'm working on my omaha game as well, so everyone let me know if I'm wrong.On the flop, I'd bet the pot.On the turn, I'd bet the pot.On the river, I'd check/call.Thoughts?

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

I'd move to much lower limits while you're trying to learn this game.I don't mean that as an insult, just a friendly piece of advice...to you and your bankroll.Party $2k buy in is the best place to learn PLO8 if anyone was wondering.

Here you go again, and the best place to learn LHE shorthanded is Party's $10/$20 6-handed, right?

[Steppin Razor 0]

Having played on .50/.50 Pokerroom, I can tell you if you like to play against decent players, they are there too. In your game, Gaborit was probably playing with my money Cobalt pretty much covered the bases, but I'll toss in my 2 cents.Your starting hand is pretty weak. Your combinations of 7-3, 8-3, A-8, A-7 don't have anything going for them, A-3 is a non nut straight draw, 7-8s is a mostly useless flush draw and potential to be non-nut straight by the river. Think of it like this - you hold six possible hands, and so does your opponent. When you have one caller, it's like you have six.Anyway, QQQQ, AAAQQ, QQQAA, QQQ33, 333AA all beat you[EDIT: I meant add 'or split' at the end] . There are a couple of rules in PLO:1 - an underfull full house can only beat a bluff on the river. This isn't Hold 'Em. A pair on the board usually means a full house. It can also possibly mean quads. If you get bet into or raised, it usually means the big full or quads.2 - never chase a flush when the board pairs. If you expect this of your opponent (even though people still do it), it is easier to realize what a raise on the end means. Even if people chase flushes with a paired board, they will be cautious, not aggressive.

[lboarts 0]

Having played on .50/.50 Pokerroom, I can tell you if you like to play against decent players, they are there too.  In your game, Gaborit was probably playing with my money  Cobalt pretty much covered the bases, but I'll toss in my 2 cents.Your starting hand is pretty weak.  Your combinations of 7-3, 8-3, A-8, A-7 don't have anything going for them, A-3 is a non nut straight draw, 7-8s is a mostly useless flush draw and potential to be non-nut straight by the river.  Think of it like this - you hold six possible hands, and so does your opponent.  When you have one caller, it's like you have six.Anyway, QQQQ, AAAQQ, QQQAA, QQQ33, 333AA all beat you.  There are a couple of rules in PLO:1 - an underfull full house can only beat a bluff on the river.  This isn't Hold 'Em.  A pair on the board usually means a full house. It can also possibly mean quads. If you get bet into or raised, it usually means the big full or quads.2 - never chase a flush when the board pairs.  If you expect this of your opponent (even though people still do it), it is easier to realize what a raise on the end means.  Even if people chase flushes with a paired board, they will be cautious, not aggressive.

He was in the BB and saw the flop for free, essentially, then he flopped a fullhouse. And he admitted he wouldn't play this starting hand otherwise. Taking into account this info, how should he have played it?

[Steppin Razor 0]

Check/fold the river. His opponent wouldn't call the turn without something. Certainly wouldn't bet or raise the river with nothing.

[nosoul 0]

I guess we don't really know how the other player plays, but raising the river is just bad. Good Omaha players know that if the board pairs, you need a boat to win. Period. End of discussion. So what did he call the flop and turn with? What did he think you were betting with? You were probably beat from the beginning.If you want to go with your read, call the bet. Your read may have been correct, he may have been on a flush draw. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have the cards that beat you. They may have been secondary cards to the hand he was chasing. You're still beat, though.