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[Crymfytr]

I was in a 6+1 SnG on Party Poker and got busted out on this hand. My question is, after you have seen the way the hand developes, should I have represented the set on the turn when my opponent checked? I'm in the BB on the short stack with an 82 off. Everyone folds to the sb who simply calls. First off I would not normally play this hand from any postion, but on occasion if I can see a cheap flop why not. I check. The flop comes A A 5 . sb checks, I check. Turn comes 4 . No apparent help to either of us. sb checks, I check. River 8 sb bets 100, I come over the top all in hoping to possibly drive him off. He calls and shows a J 8 taking me out of the tournament. After analyzing the hand in my head. I knew he did not have a pair when he called. I thought maybe suited, connected or high cards. When the flop came and he checked my first thought was he was slow playing the aces, so I checked behind him. When the 4 came on the turn I knew he did not have the aces. I didn't put him on the draw either. I don't bluff often, because it seldom works. When the 8 came on the river helping my hand with a poor kicker and he bet I thought maybe he was taking a stab a the pot. So I thought I could drive him off with the big bet. It obviously did not work. In answering the question I don't need the BS about playing 82 off. I got to see a cheap flop and turn. I just want to know if I should have bluffed at the pot on the turn representing the set. Any and all help will be appreciated. Thanks.

[MDXS]

It would help to know just how short your stack is relative to everyone else's. Others may disagree, but I think I would have pushed all-in on the flop. When you're short stacked you don't have any room to get cute and with a hand like 8-2, you don't want to give your opponent free cards and something to catch. A flop like A-A-5 is a scary one and if you push all-in when he checks, there aren't many hands he could justify calling with, considering that anything he'd slow play here, he'd probably raise them pre-flop like with a pair or an ace. If he hit a five, he'd probably bet, rather than let you catch a higher pair. Sometimes you may run into trip aces or even get called by the J8, but as the short stack, you've got to take the initiative. If you check the flop, I think you've got to bet the turn. I wouldn't give your opponent credit for having anything in that situation after the second check.

[akishore]

i don't believe your mistake was on the turn so much (though a stab at the pot would have been a good move after he checked twice, it is very risky given that you are shortstacked), i believe the mistake was on the river.you say that his bet seemed like a stab at the pot. the only way he could beat you was with:1. an A, which you ruled out2. a PP, which you ruled out4. an 8 with a better kickerif he was taking a stab at the pot, which you read for a steal, why would you go all-in? just call and win the pot with Aces up, if you felt it was good. going all-in made no sense, given the fact that you thought you were ahead, it seems like an all-in would want a call, but the only time he would call it was if he had you beat, or if he hit the 4 or 5 (again unlikely because of what you said and because of the fact that he would have bet out on the flop if he hit the 5).in a nutshell, all-in was incorrect because if you thought he was going to fold, you would have won the exact same pot in a simple showdown, but if you wanted a call, aces up with a 5 kicker was a very vulnerable hand, and the only way he would have called was if he had you beat.of course, in retrospect, i can criticize, but i might have made the same play if i was shortstacked in that situation. learn from your mistakes, though.hope this helps,aseem

[tenesmus]

Crymfytr said:

After analyzing the hand in my head.

That sentence makes me giggle.