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[Eskimo]

NL HE online tourny. I get dealt 98s on the button. 1 guy calls in early position. I limp. SB folds and BB checks. I have about 3,000 in chips with the blinds at 100/200. The early caller has about 4,000 and the BB has 7,000. Flop is 952 rainbow. They both check. I want to win the pot right here, so i move all-in. they both fold. i win a 500$ pot.2 questions... Was this too reckless? Would you have done the same if the blinds were smaller?

[pokerplayer75]

why move all in when you can just bet the pot and it have the same effect. You're taking a small risk against a possible two pair, overpair or set. Ask yourself this. If you bet the pot and somebody else moved all in would you fold? If the answer is yes then you made a mistake. If the answer is no then you played it fine.

[JimmyWellington]

Eskimo said:

NL HE online tourny. I get dealt 98s on the button. 1 guy calls in early position. I limp. SB folds and BB checks. I have about 3,000 in chips with the blinds at 100/200. The early caller has about 4,000 and the BB has 7,000. Flop is 952 rainbow. They both check. I want to win the pot right here, so i move all-in. they both fold. i win a 500$ pot.2 questions... Was this too reckless? Would you have done the same if the blinds were smaller?

Ok. So you're risking your entire tournament life for a 500 chip pot. You're doing this with top pair, medium kicker. You also have a backdoor straight draw. You're hand is not exactly strong. You are beat by the following hands - AAKKQQJJTT99552252 (remember the BB checked)9295and the list goes on.The all in move makes no sense. If you want to try and buy the pot, make a bet of about 350-500. Anyone that calls your all in is going to have a hand that crushes you.

[Eskimo]

pokerplayer75 said:

why move all in when you can just bet the pot and it have the same effect.

I didn't want my opponents to see another card. if i bet 200 i might get called. if i bet 800 (a little under 1/3 of my stack) then i'd be pot committed and would end up going all-in anyway.I understood i might be betting into 2 pair or trips, but thats just too tight for me. I had to win the pot right there.

[pokerplayer75]

If you bet 800 you are not pot commited and also there's only 700 in the pot. You can bet 400, 500 or 600 and have the same result if you're not comfortable. And with that kind of flop even if you bet 200 who's going to call with a drawing hand anyway?

[ErikM]

The term "pot committed" is rookie talk...Never throw good money after bad.

[Spidurman]

Its a good limp from the button - position is always an asset. I agree that you'll only get called from ahead - and if you are the type who is pushing AI frequently, you'll get trapped by observant players and be on the rail.I like the pot + 20/25% bet there - it shows you are serious about the hand, but gives you enough room to fold. It also prices out drawing hands (which are unlikely - the legit draws aren't really there except 43) and makes it an unfavorable call for alot of hands. If someone raises, you can fold and have about 2000 left (plenty, especially in late pos.) and just move on.

[onthebutton]

Agreed. "Pot committed" when you know you are going to lose goes by another name: "Stupid".If you bet the pot or pot+25%, and he raises, you have to have a good hunch that he's got you beat. Would it be any different if he showed you the cards after he bet? You'd know for sure, instead of just having a strong suspicion. You've got very few outs, so lay it down. What you are holding, and the relatively small pot in the middle, doesn't warrant this kind of play.