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[Pearl]

i posted this situation in a response to a thread and it didn't seem like any one noticed. so let me try to post as a separate topic and see if i get intelligent responses. here goes -a situation i saw in a 5/10 NL game a few weeks ago. a friend had Ah 3s from button and he called a 3x bb raise from a guy who would raise with any suited connector from seat 5(both are profitable players at the club). so now its headsup and both have about $900-1k behind. flop came 2h 4h 5h. Seat 5 bets $75 (its not atypical for him to bet the pot as a follow-up). my friend called (any thought on raising here?). turn was a Qs. Seat 5 checks, button bet $300. Raiser pushed all in for the rest. now you have 400+ invested in the pot and about $500 to call the all-in. what do you do? no read on seat 5, he just pulled over his hood as usual and started taking a nap.i would love to have pros' opinion on this one. i wil post how the play unfolded when all is done. if i tell you the outcome, the answer is obvious.

[Smasharoo]

Pretty easy call unless the other guy is an absolute rock postflop.

[Pearl]

i replayed the hand in my head and my answer was a call. my friend did call so i saw the cards. it didn't seem easy after i saw the cards however.(i saw daniel folded his top 2 pairs vs howard in a tourney and i understand why he was capable of folding his top 2 when i saw the reasoning -- even after he committed half of his short stack - i think the main thing was because howard had players behind him to be bluffing cold on the flush board + he had been tight entire game). here its headsup and the all-in better is a bit loose so it's a harder situation.if this seemed obvious to people, i guess i will just make the cards known -Seat 5 had 6h 7h. it could just be one of those fluke situations that cannot be avoided - such as someone flopping the Ace high flush and the other the straight flush. i do struggle with the above situation.

[Pearl]

i think i could fold a similar hand in a slightly different setting where i flopped a straight with the Ace high flush draw on the turn - to a big bet, if the turn pairs the board, say 2,4,5,5. -- 3 players in the hand, 2 are tight, i bet , one raises and the last to act goes all in for equal stack. there is a chance that i will fold the hand, depending on my feel of the situation. the above situation seems like a call. may be i am letting the 'known' cards influence the decision.

[Smasharoo]

it could just be one of those fluke situations that cannot be avoidedNo, it's pretty common to be up against a flopped straight flush with a flopped straight and nut flush draw. :)Still a call.

[Pearl]

he didn't have the straight flush but he did have the worst 2 cards possible that is not a straight flush becase 3h and 8h doesn't help the button.if there are 4 players Seat 5,6,7 and button in the game, and seat 5 is super tight (you know one when you have played against one), may be i will fold this.otherwise, it seems like i am going to pay up the entire stack in such situations

[holman3rd]

Pearl said:

he didn't have the straight flush but he did have the worst 2 cards possible that is not a straight flush becase 3h and 8h doesn't help the button.if there are 4 players Seat 5,6,7 and button in the game, and seat 5 is super tight (you know one when you have played against one), may be i will fold this.otherwise, it seems like i am going to pay up the entire stack in such situations

I really like the way the guy to got the straight flush played this (call him Player 1). Here's my interpretation of his betting sequence, and why I think it's so good. He open raises preflop from mid position with a standard 3x raise. Although the range of hands possible in this situation is larger than it would be if he were, say, UTG, I did initially narrow him down to 88 or higher, possibly 2 broadway cards. The continuation bet wasn't surprising with the low flop, but it could have also been a tester to see if the other player (call him Player 2) had any hearts. Player 1's check after the turn seemed to indicate that Player 2's flat call on the flop scared him. Now, I'm narrowing him down to a flush draw or an overpair. But, Player 2 leads after the turn and gets check raised all in. Looking at pot odds alone, player 2 was getting about 2.5-1 on a call--Player 1 had to know this, and probably assumed he would get called. So, if that's true, it indicated that he wasn't scared to get called and probably had a made hand. Now, if I were Player 2 in this situation, the entire sequence of betting, plus no read on player 1, indicates to me that Player 1 has an overpair or a made flush.So I call with what I think is possibly the best hand now (straight) and can improve to the nut flush. Even if Player 1 has a made flush, I still have plenty of outs to the nut flush.Finally, I think Player 1 played this so well because he disguised his hand so well. It fooled me, but obviously I'm no pro. Daniel likely could smell this trap and lay down his hand.Sorry if I lost everyone in my logic...it's difficult to articulate thoughts from a 3rd person perspective, then make my conclusion from the 1st person perspective.Flame away.

[JFarrell20]

KQ of hearts for the middle position?I think he flopped a flush. Other guy has possibility of taking over his flush with a heart on the river. He's trying to buy the pot here? Or maybe he wants a call knowing that there's a slim chance of a heart on the river...But I guess that guy has K of hearts and I guess theoretically he could have K10-Q. He's got to have the king though.

[holman3rd]

JFarrell20 said:

KQ of hearts for the middle position?I think he flopped a flush. Other guy has possibility of taking over his flush with a heart on the river. He's trying to buy the pot here? Or maybe he wants a call knowing that there's a slim chance of a heart on the river...But I guess that guy has K of hearts and I guess theoretically he could have K10-Q. He's got to have the king though.

I don't think KhQh for Player 1 is unreasonable. The poster said he would "raise with any suited connector".I'm assuming it was folded to this guy in seat 5, so i think it's more reasonable to assume that he would raise with this hand rather than open limp.But yes, I agree, he more than likely would have to have the K.I just never would have put this guy on the straight flush...I guess that's why I'm impressed with his betting pattern. On the other hand, I very well could be underwhelmed with my skill level.

[Pearl]

holman3rd said:

Daniel likely could smell this trap and lay down his hand.

as much as i think dan is awesome, i think he would have called here