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[2AceSuited]

1. if you were on the button or one off the button and flopped an open ended straight draw, would you raise on the flop if the pot had not been raised pre-flop, or would you just call?2. What's the smallest PP you'd raise with on the button or one off?

[gobears]

2AceSuited said:

1. if you were on the button or one off the button and flopped an open ended straight draw, would you raise on the flop if the pot had not been raised pre-flop, or would you just call?2. What's the smallest PP you'd raise with on the button or one off?

On 1., I would just call and take the free card in no limit. In NL, the threat of the check raise which would cause me to fold would make me hesitant to raise. Some players might be aggressive and raise to either 1) take down the pot right there or 2) try to get another free card after the turn since the other players might just check down due to your post-flop raise.On 2., I'll raise with 7's and up.

[Smasharoo]

2. What's the smallest PP you'd raise with on the button or one off?With no one in the pot before me I'll raise the button with any two cards.

[Pearl]

2AceSuited said:

1. if you were on the button or one off the button and flopped an open ended straight draw, would you raise on the flop if the pot had not been raised pre-flop, or would you just call?2. What's the smallest PP you'd raise with on the button or one off?

is this limit or no-limit table? it seems like your question is based on limit in which case, the guy who responded before probably knows more than i do on that subject. but here is my 2 cents -if there is no raiser preflop, it depends on a) how many people are in the game, B) is it a tight table where people will fold their mid pair to a raise, or calling stations, or aggressive players who would never think of putting you on 2 pairs or a set and reraise with their top pair - and you can see what it means for you to raise in your situation c)what flop it is on board .. for example, if there are 5 limpers and flop is 7 7 8, and you are holding 9, 10, and someone bets and 2 callers, your raise from 9, 10 , in my humble opinion could be wrong - worse, if 7 and 8 are of the same suit, because with many limpers, 2 of your outs in the open end draw may not be outs. sorry if I am making the situation more complicated for you. but what i am saying is that it is not as simple an answer as 'raise or call if the conditions you stated are true'. in some situations where there is no pair or flush draw on board and its vs a tight weak player, it is probably ok to raise because he/she may check you on the turn allowing you to see expensive turn and river cards. (in a situation where the first bettor on a rainbow board of 7 8 2 is the type that would open the betting with 2 overcards, and its headsup, its correct to raise, for example).in NL, its a lot more complicated. if you are vs a good player and he senses that you are raising with a draw, he might reraise you and you dont want that. if your table image is a slow player of nuts, then you can just call down the bets, and pushed on river even if you miss depending on what flops. there are so many variations of 'how to play this hand' in this situation - i doubt there is a standard answer to this question. i raise with it some time, and i fold some time (in flush/paired boards) and i push all in on turn with those draws some time depending on whom i am up against. on second question, if you are going to play your button at all, almost always raise. calling often loses - raising often wins - just know when not to do it.i am sure there are a lot of expert limit players out there - so if i am giving wrong opinion/advice, please feel free to correct. but i think the decision variables i described are at least relevant to consider before you give answers on 'what do you do here'.