pot odds on the draw

[HangukMiguk 8]

Here's a hand I just went into, feel I played it right. Maybe I could've checked on the river, to see if he'll bet.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converterMP1 (t1775)MP2 (t1430)MP3 (t1650)CO (t1795)Button (t1380)SB (t1860)BB (t540)UTG (t1930)Hero (t1140)Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [Jh], [Th]. UTG calls t30, Hero raises to t120, UTG folds.Flop: (t315) [7h], [Td], [Kd] (2 players)Hero bets t225, CO calls t225.Turn: (t765) [Ah] (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets t120, Hero calls t120.River: (t1005) [8h] (2 players)Hero bets t675 (All-In), CO calls t675.Final Pot: t2355My main concerns are:a) his call on the flop. I believe he's on a draw. Regardless of the draw, I'm laying him about 3:2 pot odds, not low enough to chase.B) my call on the turn. He's laying me, what, 6:1 odds to chase my flush now? So that should make the call right.input?

[zimmer4141 0]

Easy call on the turn. Not sure why you raised pf. Flop depends on pf play, looks good for after the raise pf. Right way to approach the river. He probably has a set or straight, and will call, but might not bet.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

Not crazy about the pre-flop raise.

[gobears 0]

I would typically limp with that hand pre-flop. If you've been at the same table for awhile, then raising pre-flop might be good from a deception point of view.But since you raised pre-flop; your bet post-flop is fine as you can represent the K. Once that flush draw hits, your call on the turn is fine as you're getting the right odds.Nice hand

[copernicus 0]

I would typically limp with that hand pre-flop.   If you've been at the same table for awhile, then raising pre-flop might be good from a deception point of view.But since you raised pre-flop; your bet post-flop is fine as you can represent the K.  Once that flush draw hits, your call on the turn is fine as you're getting the right odds.Nice hand

Pretty clear call on the turn with these odds. Be careful to discount the odds somewhat for not having the nut flush draw though, it might make a difference in some hands.

[HangukMiguk 8]

Villain had QJo.So everyone is in agreement that my raise pf is horrible? Here is how I had been playing JTs:-Raise pre-flop UTG or in late position with one or no limpers.-Call pre-flop with multiple limpers.-Call pre-flop to a raise.-Fold pre-flop to a raise/reraise.

[copernicus 0]

Villain had QJo.So everyone is in agreement that my raise pf is horrible?  Here is how I had been playing JTs:-Raise pre-flop UTG or in late position with one or no limpers.-Call pre-flop with multiple limpers.-Call pre-flop to a raise.-Fold pre-flop to a raise/reraise.

I dont think its a horrible raise if you do it occasionally for deception purposes, although this raise doesnt seem to fit any of your criteria.

[Rocketwadster 0]

What are you hoping to accomplish with the raise after one limper? Just curious is all. :?

[copernicus 0]

What are you hoping to accomplish with the raise after one limper? Just curious is all. :?

Not sure what his motivation was, but as I said, I will occasionally raise with mid-level connected suiters UTG or after a limper or two if I have a big stack purely for deception/advertising purposes. Either the flop misses and I get out without much damage, it hits me hard, and may look pretty innocent so I am in position to collect a big number, or I hit a small piece plus a draw that nobody expects. If its gets shown down then they cant automatically put me on pairs and AK, AQ when I raise.

[Rocketwadster 0]

What are you hoping to accomplish with the raise after one limper? Just curious is all. :?

Not sure what his motivation was, but as I said, I will occasionally raise with mid-level connected suiters UTG or after a limper or two if I have a big stack purely for deception/advertising purposes. Either the flop misses and I get out without much damage, it hits me hard, and may look pretty innocent so I am in position to collect a big number, or I hit a small piece plus a draw that nobody expects. If its gets shown down then they cant automatically put me on pairs and AK, AQ when I raise.

I LOVE raising with a hand like that from late position after a bunch of limpers, but from early position doesnt it (normally) cut down on the odds you need to play a hand like that in that position? I am asking, not telling... :?

[copernicus 0]

What are you hoping to accomplish with the raise after one limper? Just curious is all. :?

Not sure what his motivation was, but as I said, I will occasionally raise with mid-level connected suiters UTG or after a limper or two if I have a big stack purely for deception/advertising purposes. Either the flop misses and I get out without much damage, it hits me hard, and may look pretty innocent so I am in position to collect a big number, or I hit a small piece plus a draw that nobody expects. If its gets shown down then they cant automatically put me on pairs and AK, AQ when I raise.

I LOVE raising with a hand like that from late position after a bunch of limpers, but from early position doesnt it (normally) cut down on the odds you need to play a hand like that in that position? I am asking, not telling... :?

yes, it could, and I wouldnt do it at a tight table from early/mid position. Most tourneys Ive played in have a lot of limpers and small raise callers tho.Since you'll be looking at this reply I'll ask a question here instead of waiting for you to look at other games threads. I find SuperSystems Stud 8 (sklansky) much more detailed than SS2 (Brunson). The only difference I see in the games is that high still brought in back then..antes and bring in vs limits are pretty comparable. Anything else that would make SS not as applicable as SS2? Ive only got till Thursday to become an expert!

[Rocketwadster 0]

Since you'll be looking at this reply I'll ask a question here instead of waiting for you to look at other games threads. I find SuperSystems Stud 8 (sklansky) much more detailed than SS2 (Brunson). The only difference I see in the games is that high still brought in back then..antes and bring in vs limits are pretty comparable. Anything else that would make SS not as applicable as SS2? Ive only got till Thursday to become an expert!

I think that Todd took the same approach as his dad did (in HIS section of the books) in SS2, in that rather than go through ALL of the things that are the same between the two games, jsut point out the differences and expand on the concepts there. Stud Hi/Lo is WAAAY easier IMO than Stud 8, for the obvious reasons. 8)

[HangukMiguk 8]

Love the input. I'm normally more aggressive with high suited connectors, simply to disguise monsters. Middle/low suited connectors I'm more passive with. But JTs, More often or not, I flop what could either be the best hand, or a good flop to bluff with to take down the pot, as the PF raise disguises the hand as a monster.So you guys believe that this type of aggression with this hand is incorrect?