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[Perry]

murphy77 said:

I felt kinda bad for Machina, from what I saw he went into the final table with a ton of chips (and the chip lead),  just to lose it all to Cyndie Violette in multiple suckouts/coinflips.

Morgan played very tight during the final table. He then lost most of his chips on an ill-timed bluff vs Paul. The hands against Cindy were bad luck, but the damage had already been done.The problem with ESPN's coverage is that they only show VERY few hands from the final table. Trying to condense 9 hours (or in some cases 12+ hours) of action into a 1 hour show (with probably only 30 minutes or less of poker) leads to some very misleading shows.Perry

[richgambler]

alf13 said:

They showed TWO hands....go read the transcript...and tell me that he had Aces and Kings in all of those hands he was raising and then check raising the flop in....

No...in most of the hands I saw(I know thats not the whole story) Seidel had great cards...Im not saying he didnt play great...... I'm just saying he got hit with the deck....to quote Seinfeld....."not that theres anything wrong with that" 8)

[richgambler]

Perry said:

Morgan played very tight during the final table.   He then lost most of his chips on an ill-timed bluff vs Paul.  The hands against Cindy were bad luck, but the damage had already been done.The problem with ESPN's coverage is that they only show VERY few hands from the final table.  Trying to condense 9 hours (or in some cases 12+ hours) of action into a 1 hour show (with probably only 30 minutes or less of poker) leads to some very misleading shows.Perry

I couldnt agree more Perry...ESPNs coverage is poor at bestP.S. I was standing by your table at the WSOP this year during the NLHE w/rebuys 1k event(#37)---i got knocked out rather quickly, even after a handful of rebuys--- when you shouted to Phil Gordon: "Hey, Phil Gordon, Celebrity Poker sucks!!"....I started LMAO....just wondering if you were buddies, or if you just didnt like him or something.

[the red bull]

Perry said:

murphy77 said:

I felt kinda bad for Machina, from what I saw he went into the final table with a ton of chips (and the chip lead),  just to lose it all to Cyndie Violette in multiple suckouts/coinflips.

Morgan played very tight during the final table. He then lost most of his chips on an ill-timed bluff vs Paul. The hands against Cindy were bad luck, but the damage had already been done.The problem with ESPN's coverage is that they only show VERY few hands from the final table. Trying to condense 9 hours (or in some cases 12+ hours) of action into a 1 hour show (with probably only 30 minutes or less of poker) leads to some very misleading shows.Perry

Perry....You came off as quite an oddball last night! :-)

[PMJackson21]

richgambler said:

Perry said:

Morgan played very tight during the final table.   He then lost most of his chips on an ill-timed bluff vs Paul.  The hands against Cindy were bad luck, but the damage had already been done.The problem with ESPN's coverage is that they only show VERY few hands from the final table.  Trying to condense 9 hours (or in some cases 12+ hours) of action into a 1 hour show (with probably only 30 minutes or less of poker) leads to some very misleading shows.Perry

I couldnt agree more Perry...ESPNs coverage is poor at bestP.S. I was standing by your table at the WSOP this year during the NLHE w/rebuys 1k event(#37)---i got knocked out rather quickly, even after a handful of rebuys--- when you shouted to Phil Gordon: "Hey, Phil Gordon, Celebrity Poker sucks!!"....I started LMAO....just wondering if you were buddies, or if you just didnt like him or something.

http://tiltboys.com/Old friends...Then again, that doesn't mean Perry likes him I suppose. :-)Patrick

[PMJackson21]

the red bull said:

Perry said:

murphy77 said:

I felt kinda bad for Machina, from what I saw he went into the final table with a ton of chips (and the chip lead),  just to lose it all to Cyndie Violette in multiple suckouts/coinflips.

Morgan played very tight during the final table. He then lost most of his chips on an ill-timed bluff vs Paul. The hands against Cindy were bad luck, but the damage had already been done.The problem with ESPN's coverage is that they only show VERY few hands from the final table. Trying to condense 9 hours (or in some cases 12+ hours) of action into a 1 hour show (with probably only 30 minutes or less of poker) leads to some very misleading shows.Perry

Perry....You came off as quite an oddball last night! :-)

Ha, funny - that's exactly how I pictured Perry would be so I was LMAO. Anyone who has read his posts on RGP in the past, read the tiltboys stuff, or played with him on FTP, knows he is a lot of fun.Patrick

[alf13]

richgambler said:

alf13 said:

They showed TWO hands....go read the transcript...and tell me that he had Aces and Kings in all of those hands he was raising and then check raising the flop in....

No...in most of the hands I saw(I know thats not the whole story) Seidel had great cards...Im not saying he didnt play great...... I'm just saying he got hit with the deck....to quote Seinfeld....."not that theres anything wrong with that" 8)

What does "most" mean?If it's what ESPN showed...then that was bout 4 hands.....To give you some scale....he played more than 50 hands HU vs. Violette.

[SOWhatKid]

i'd say Ivey had the best performance in the PL Omaha Event he won like 70% of the hands which is just ridiculous he basically ran over the table

[typesick]

I don't feel badly for Morgan. That 8/5 bluff was HORRENDOUS...

[WonderfulSplash]

alf13 said:

To give you some scale....he played more than 50 hands HU vs. Violette.

And won a rediculously high percantage of those hands. He was outplaying her, then got lucky at the end. Thats tournament poker.

[ahrustad]

Those calls were absolutely uncanny. I was very impressed with Michael Gracz. I was even more impressed, however, with his class at the table. The guy obviously was not raised in a barn like some of the other young kids who get T.V. time. Poker needs more people like Gracz and Scott Fischman--who put a good face on the game-- and fewer people who act like jackasses.

[Spademan]

Read this thread last night, saw the episode this morning.In a bit of a rush so I don't have time to read and see if this has been answered already,but someone asked what WTP Gracz won.I'm pretty sure it was a limit event that had some retired military dude and Paul Darden.

[RyanM]

Gracz was absolutely sick in this event.

[Crack User]

i played grazc at the bogata one time and cleaned his clock lolhes good thow and does make good reads but i had his number that day thats for sure this was last year sometime so hes probably even better now

[MasterLJ]

alf13 said:

MasterLJ said:

alf13 said:

I can't figure that AT hand out...but it sure was a ballsy call.....He had contributed 25k to the pot....and he called 150k more with Ace high on the turn....The guy could have easily had AJ or AQ...and made the same move..

What's the likelyhood that he had AQ and/or AJ and didn't re-raise p/f? I think it's small, and I think Gracz certainly had a better read on the situation than I did from watching that.On top of that, most people would bet out with AQ or if they had the 7 on that ragged flop. You know that pp 9 or higher would almost certailny re-raise pre flop. The all in just didn't make sense, and when it doesn't make sense it's usually a terrible play or a bluff. At that level, I'd call it a bluff.There's some bluffs where you could even tell your opponent you are bluffing and they still can't call. That all in move would have worked had Gracz been holding KQ, QJ or less.

He couldn't re-raise preflop....he raised....gracz called....like I said...he could have easily had AJ, or AQ.

Oooo musta remembered it wrong. Thought Gracz raised and other dude called.