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[All_In...]

in limit play, if u flop 2 backdoors (straight & flush) what are your odds to hit by the river? i don't know how to calculate backdoors.in NL with implied odds, is it more of a 'no-brainer' to call at least to see the turn?'

[CobaltBlue]

1.5ish outs for a backdoor flush. About 1 to 1.5 for backdoor straights.

[nutzbuster]

Doyle wrote the odds you'll turn a flush or straight about 10 to 1 .About 20 to 1 on the river.Best...

[CodyHartman]

There are many odds calculators out there. Just a few for ya, Cardplayer.com, thehendonmob.com, pocketfives.com, and I think pokerpages.com has one.EDIT: Now that I think about it, these are more of hand vs hand odds. Does anyone know of site that has more #'s like this. Was the Doyle reference about the odds form SS1?

[CobaltBlue]

Screwed up earlier...wrote 'odds' instead of 'outs'. Fixed now.But yeah...with both backdoor draws...2ish outs on the flop when figuring out your odds. SSHE addresses this.

[-=BigWorm=-]

Here is one easy was of calculating what your odds are after the flop, and it is legit you can do it in your head next time your watching the WPT. Now again these are for AFTER the flop. Its like this, whatever hand u have ie flush draw or straight draw count how many cards will make your hand, and in case of a flush draw if you dont see and cards flipped over or anything assume that all the rest are part of your calculation meaning u see 4 to the flush that their are 9 left. OK sorry heres how it goes its easy take how many cards make your hand your looking for and multiply them by 4 to calculate AFTER the flop to MAKE your hand on 4th street, and if u miss the same for the river but you multiply your outs by 2. this gets u within 1 percent of knowing what percentage that you will make your hand on 4th and the river. Hope it helps

[CobaltBlue]

As I understand it, the 4x = % rule is the chance that you'll win (on the flop) by the river.

[-=BigWorm=-]

The 4% turn and 2% river are your percentages to get the cards to make your hand at that point yes.

[MasterLJ]

I use 5% for backdoors as a rule of thumb. Of course it's not dead on, but you can tack it onto your pot odds easily enough.