interesting situation.....advice welcome

[CaneBrain 97]

Ok, very interesting hand came up last night and i would love to hear some thoughts from the FCP crowd.First to set the moooood.....I am in the process, last night, of crushing a NL 100 6 max game on Empire Poker.There are 5 people at the table. I have been there for about 3 hours and have a good read on most of the table.I am sitting on the button for this hand with about 480 dollars in front of me. SB, who is very loose-aggressive, has about 125. CO, a real schmuck but a decent tight-aggressive player has about 175. Other players are irrelevant.I am dealt j 10 .UTG folds. CO makes it 3 bucks to go. I have been raising about every other hand for the last hour so I decide not to break character and I raise to 10. SB calls. CO thinks for most of his allotted time then he calls too.Flop comes out 8 7 3 .SB instantly bets out 15 dollars. There is now about 45 bucks in the pot. CO calls. 60 bucks in pot. Now what is the correct play here? I obviously have a very strong drawing hand. SB could have anything here the way he plays....my guess at the time was A8. CO flat calling worried me. He is pretty tight player and he only bluffed when he had position.So what is the play here? call and see a card? big raise? I dont think you can fold.....but maybe I should have considered that too.Love to hear people's thoughts and I will share the end result in a bit.

[fryer98 30]

I think we should make a section for strategy.Oh, "we have one," you say?OP: I think you should have posted this there so that people like me don't respond to it. I wouldn't have raised it in the first place, but I would fold there. btw.

[CaneBrain 97]

I think we should make a section for strategy.Oh, "we have one," you say?OP: I think you should have posted this there so that people like me don't respond to it. I wouldn't have raised it in the first place, but I would fold there. btw.

god do I have to deal with this every time? I want to hear all people's take not just the few who post often in strat. I like to get feedback and maybe get a couple of funny comments from ron mexico as well. I am a man of the people and my choice is general forum.Oh and I realize the raise on the button was not necessarily a good play but I had been raising from the button pretty much every hand for an hour as I mentioned....so lets just focus on the rest of it pretty please.

[keith crime 8]

i think its an obvious call - if you raise and original better goes all in you are screwed - could be a higher flush draw out there = neither has a ton of money to pay you off with - i doubt they both fold to a raise - you are just costing yourself money to see the next card if you raise

[keith crime 8]

who are these anal fucks who care where stuff is posted? is the internet the home of millions of frustrated file clerks?

[fryer98 30]

....so lets just focus on the rest of it pretty please.

Ok, I can do that...I would fold here.

[keith crime 8]

....so lets just focus on the rest of it pretty please.

Ok, I can do that...I would fold here.

why?

[fryer98 30]

who are these anal fucks who care where stuff is posted? is the internet the home of millions of frustrated file clerks?

Just cause you learned to swear doesn't mean you have to call me an "anal fuck" for no reason. I believe I made it obvious in saying that you're gonna get better strategy answer there (and after I saw who posted it, I realized why he posted it here) and not dumb ass answer like I would/did give. Is that ok, pork slut?

[fryer98 30]

....so lets just focus on the rest of it pretty please.

Ok, I can do that...I would fold here.

why?

Cause they're my cards and I'll do what I wanna.Because I'm not going to get involved in a 3-way pot with a drawing hand that could be beat by AXs. This might not be the "correct" answer, but that's what/all you're gonna get from me on this...

[keith crime 8]

do you really care whether he gets a better answer in strategy - sounds like you think its a dumb questionsounds like you'd rather act like mr poker forum and blaze on him for his lack of accurate posting etiquette which again baffles me - who really cares?

[Swift_Psycho 1]

Call.And I don't re-raise pre-flop, but you've already addressed that so I won't say any more about it.

[turd ferguson 1]

I like a raise here. You were the aggressor preflop, and with position i think it's a good idea to stay in control. You will find out a lot of information be re-raising here also, and you will probably lose the person who flat called the SB bet post-flop. Even if the SB moves in on you after you make it 50 or 60 to go, you should call because you're the favorite over a pair and pot odds dictate you call here even if he has two pair or a set. If he moves in it will be 60 more to you in about a 180 pot so you will be getting about 3 to 1. You're getting about 2.75 to 2 with two shots on your straight or flush alone assuming your overcards arent good. Good luck.

[keith crime 8]

....so lets just focus on the rest of it pretty please.

Ok, I can do that...I would fold here.

why?

Cause they're my cards and I'll do what I wanna.Because I'm not going to get involved in a 3-way pot with a drawing hand that could be beat by AXs. This might not be the "correct" answer, but that's what/all you're gonna get from me on this...

well you were right he probably would have gotten a better answer in the strategy section

[dna4ever 2]

your a favorite to just about any hand here other then a higher flush draw or a set, i'm reraising here to isolate and be happy to take the pot down here and not terribly upset if i dont. doubt another player is going to push his chips with a higher flush draw on a reraise from you and even if you are up against a set at worst you are a 1:3 dog. you are a favorite to any pair, over cards, and even an overpair here.

[CaneBrain 97]

who are these anal fucks who care where stuff is posted? is the internet the home of millions of frustrated file clerks?

Just cause you learned to swear doesn't mean you have to call me an "anal fuck" for no reason. I believe I made it obvious in saying that you're gonna get better strategy answer there (and after I saw who posted it, I realized why he posted it here) and not dumb ass answer like I would/did give. Is that ok, pork slut?

did I just get insulted by a man promising to light himself on fire? anyways, I did what you said keith and just called. 9 of spades hit on the turn (i was running nice and toasty all night) SB pushed (with queens), CO folded (dont know what) and I called and took down a nice pot.

[No_Neck 0]

Well how many outs do you have? You have 4 9's for the nut straight and you have 9 diamonds to make you the flush, give one out for over cards you have 14 outs, double that and add two do get percentage. 30% and you are getting 4-1. There ya go.

[fryer98 30]

do you really care whether he gets a better answer in strategy - sounds like you think its a dumb questionsounds like you'd rather act like mr poker forum and blaze on him for his lack of accurate posting etiquette which again baffles me - who really cares?

Wow, are you being anal?? No, I thought it was a prefect strategy quesiton, so I was being a nice guy and telling him he shoudl try and post it there.Seriously, did someone piss in your Cherios?? Calm the fuck down.READ WHAT I WROTE. I was ragging on MYSELF more than anyone. WTF?!?

[keith crime 8]

I like a raise here. You were the aggressor preflop, and with position i think it's a good idea to stay in control. You will find out a lot of information be re-raising here also, and you will probably lose the person who flat called the SB bet post-flop. Even if the SB moves in on you after you make it 50 or 60 to go, you should call because you're the favorite over a pair and pot odds dictate you call here even if he has two pair or a set. If he moves in it will be 60 more to you in about a 180 pot so you will be getting about 3 to 1. You're getting about 2.75 to 2 with two shots on your straight or flush alone assuming your overcards arent good. Good luck.

why do you want to lose the other guy? either you hit and win or you're gone - i want him in since i have position - raising gets me heads up as a likely underdog

[macphec 0]

I would call here but be worried about a better flush draw. I also agree that a raise will not get them to fold and just cost you more to see a turn card. (It may let you see the river for free though)

[fryer98 30]

did I just get insulted by a man promising to light himself on fire? anyways, I did what you said keith and just called. 9 of spades hit on the turn (i was running nice and toasty all night) SB pushed (with queens), CO folded (dont know what) and I called and took down a nice pot.

HAHA, no, I see how you took that the wrong way. I meant it cause of what you answered. You're more of a general poster and what dumb cracks along with you real answer. Please, no one else take me the wrong way today. Thank you.btw, nice job on the pot take down.

[keith crime 8]

do you really care whether he gets a better answer in strategy - sounds like you think its a dumb questionsounds like you'd rather act like mr poker forum and blaze on him for his lack of accurate posting etiquette which again baffles me - who really cares?

Wow, are you being anal?? No, I thought it was a prefect strategy quesiton, so I was being a nice guy and telling him he shoudl try and post it there.Seriously, did someone censored in your Cherios?? Calm the censored down.READ WHAT I WROTE. I was ragging on MYSELF more than anyone. WTF?!?

ok if this is the case i apologize - i stressed the first line and not the second - in general i just don't get all the people who go nuts on stuff being posted in the right place - if this isnt you I bow down and beg your forgiveness

[CaneBrain 97]

DNA I like your advice more than what I did. I should have re raised. While my play worked out, I think I was too timid. The math clearly dictates I stay aggressive from what I see from the advice I am getting.Thanks everyone for the help....

[CaneBrain 97]

did I just get insulted by a man promising to light himself on fire? anyways, I did what you said keith and just called. 9 of spades hit on the turn (i was running nice and toasty all night) SB pushed (with queens), CO folded (dont know what) and I called and took down a nice pot.

HAHA, no, I see how you took that the wrong way. I meant it cause of what you answered. You're more of a general poster and what dumb cracks along with you real answer. Please, no one else take me the wrong way today. Thank you.btw, nice job on the pot take down.

no worries. and thanks. Last night was one of those enjoyable nights when everything seems to go right. Good times.

[PMJackson21 0]

Well how many outs do you have? You have 4 9's for the nut straight and you have 9 diamonds to make you the flush, give one out for over cards you have 14 outs, double that and add two do get percentage. 30% and you are getting 4-1. There ya go.

You are counting the 9d twice.You figure worst case scenario, he has 4 clean outs (any 9, with the 9d giving him the straight flush), 8 more possible flush card outs (minus the 9d), and a jack or ten _might_ be good as well (6 more outs). So anywhere from 4 to 18 outs. The only real hand he should fear here is a higher flush draw; against anything else he is getting the proper odds to call, and even if he is facing A-x or K-x of diamonds, that would make the jack and the ten live outs, so he would have 10 outs.I'd say it's definetly worth at least a call; a raise re-opens the action, which you probably don't want, but that wouldn't be a horrible play either. It all depends on the table/players, and what their perception of your play is.Patrick

[fryer98 30]

ok if this is the case i apologize - i stressed the first line and not the second - in general i just don't get all the people who go nuts on stuff being posted in the right place - if this isnt you I bow down and beg your forgiveness

It's all good. No need to bow down.You're talking to the Off Topic Master here and you think I care where things go?? That's Mark33f's (or whatever his name is) job to worry about.100% me saying that was so he would see more strategy posts. Than crap like me (us? :shock: ) BS about BS.We cool.