Actuary 3 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is UTG with Ks, Qs. Hero raises.Flop: (5.50 SB) Td, Kc, 2d (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.Turn: (6.75 BB) Jh (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.River: (8.75 BB) 6c (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 10.75 BBIs there a better play here?Villan is loose passive, but only 25 hands...no specific memeory of extraordinary behavior Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Did you mistitle your post?I thought it said C/R'd on the turn, but thatlooks like Check/Bet/Call to me.I may not have 3 bet the flop,but I don't mind the check/call linefor the turn and river. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 yeah, I had another hand in mind when I typed the title..then had this hand to look at... Link to post Share on other sites
BeanGW 0 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Why not try for a stop 'n go here? Call his raise on the flop, and bet any turn... if he's a passive player you can save yourself some cash if he raises by letting this one go.I think the flop cap basically censored you here. When a passive player caps the flop, it pretty much indicates that you are likely way behind (to A-K or a set). But then, the pot is now big enough and you've maybe picked up another out or two (although the Ace of diamonds isn't clean, and you may be drawing for a tie)... where calling him down might be the correct play.Had you just called the flop, it would have been easier to get away from this one. Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 i play it the same Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Villan is loose passive, but only 25 handsWith 25 hands, I'm calling it down after villian caps. He could easily be loose/aggressive with this small sample range - capping with JQ often enough to make calling down profitable. Link to post Share on other sites
LaydownKing 0 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 You are spewing chips. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted August 31, 2005 Author Share Posted August 31, 2005 You are spewing chips.I notice you like folding a lot in the posts I've read.How do you play this hand?Or do you fold pf?thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
Vade 0 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Looks fine. I don't see a spew here anywhere. Three betting this flop is correct I feel Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 looks good. :-) i might or might not three-bet the flop.without a read, i do, but if you have a read that he's passive (25 hands isn't enough, so i'd probably treat it as having no read), you might just call the flop raise and either check/fold or check/call the turn (here, you picked up an open-ended so check/calling was obviously correct).aseem Link to post Share on other sites
LaydownKing 0 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 You can safely fold the river. Unless you think that the loose passive fish will cap the flop and bet every street with K9 or worse. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted August 31, 2005 Author Share Posted August 31, 2005 yeah, I could see a fold on the river..pots decnet size..but..I'm not sure its 10:1 against me winning.By spewing I figured u meant more than just one bet. Link to post Share on other sites
guinevar 0 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I three-bet the flop to get information.I likely fold the turn depending on the actions of this passive opponent.I also try not to sit down if I haven't datamined the table for 40 hands, though if he joined after sitting down, then there isn't much you can do.Bean,I think the stop-go play is not a good idea. You'll have put the same amount of BB in to see the turn if you raise the flop. Passive opponents generally will decide to hold their finger over the bet button and bet QUICKLY with good hands. I would not given him credit for less than tptk or two pair, hands we're way behind. The three-bet on the flop lets us know we're paying 2 more bb to see the river.Guinevar Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I think the stop-go play is not a good idea.In most situations, you're absolutely right. Here it's good because it defends against the free card play. There are a lot of very plausible draws on this board. Slowing down if an ace/9/ or diamond falls on the turn is not a bad idea. Leading if one of these cards does not fall ruins our opponents plans completely.Of course, 3-betting is good too. We can slow down if our opponent caps, or release our hand to a cap on the turn if he's very passive (passive players are also less likely to raise for a free card on the flop). Link to post Share on other sites
109suited 0 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I think that you played it absolutely perfectly. Link to post Share on other sites
WestcoastCanuck 0 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I can't see any way to play it other than the way you did. Stop n Go, in my opinion, will only put more money in while you are behind or cause him to slow down if you are ahead. If he is betting a draw, just calling down induces a river bluff. It is amazing how many players bet the turn and river when they miss their draw. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted August 31, 2005 Author Share Posted August 31, 2005 had an opponent last night who raised his 9 out draws on the turn all the time.Lucky guy caught several. He would raise against 1-4 opponents.Guess he didn't want the cheap route and thought he had fold equity.Perhaps that's a tool for higher stakes?He looks like a genius when it hits. Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is UTG with Ks, Qs. Hero raises.Flop: (5.50 SB) Td, Kc, 2d (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.Turn: (6.75 BB) Jh (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.River: (8.75 BB) 6c (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 10.75 BBIs there a better play here?Villan is loose passive, but only 25 hands...no specific memeory of extraordinary behaviorWhat would someone cap the flop with that they only called a raise with pre-flop? Pocket tens perhaps, MAYBE pocket two's, king ten, OR two diamonds like queen jack...I think you bet/fold the turn.Top pair fairly good kicker isnt a great hand... 8)EDIT - misread the turn card...So, I know say check/call it down 8) Link to post Share on other sites
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