3 pair! (plo)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Haven't been playing quite as much Omaha lately, but this hand did come up this evening...Bodog .10/.25 PLO (8-handed)Cobalt is SB w/ A T J 3 . UTG posted.Pre-flop:UTG checks, 1 fold, MP1 calls, BB checksFlop ($1.50): A J 3 (6 players)Cobalt bets $.80Turn ($3.90): 6 Cobalt ?

[bdc30 0]

Leads out again.There are no straights out there, and anyonewith a set probably would have raised on the flop.Plus you picked up the nut flush draw.Not sure what you do in the event someone wakesup and raises you by the pot, though...lol

[Rocketwadster 0]

I think its a bet out again. I can't see anyone slowplaying a set against you, and with you holding each of the flop cards that came, the odds of a set being against you are slim. With top two pair (plus the 3 paired as a backup plan), AND the nut flush draw, you are good to go I think. 8)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Yeah...not really a particularly interesting hand. I bet out $3 and they folded. 8)

[strategy 4]

Yeah...not really a particularly interesting hand. I bet out $3 and they folded. 8)

At least we got a cool looking hand history out of it that took you six minutes to make. It's strange to see top two pair be so likely the best hand. Nice hand, sir.Have you ever hit the nut full house on the river in a heads up PLO game and run into a straight flush in the hands of a habitual bluffer?It's fun. I'm $100 poorer.

[CobaltBlue 662]

That sucks, man. I did take down the best full house with a straight flush the other day in LHE.And, the really frustrating Omaha hands happen when you turn four pair or you flop two sets (two different pairs in your hand).

[Smasharoo 0]

Yeah...not really a particularly interesting hand. I bet out $3 and they folded. CoolFold preflop.goooood luck.

[Rocketwadster 0]

Yeah...not really a particularly interesting hand. I bet out $3 and they folded. CoolFold preflop.goooood luck.

Hero was SB. With 4 people already in and BB to follow, should be a call, no? :?

[Sluggo 0]

It's called position. And a dangler.You don't buy sale items that are broken, do you?Likewise, don't limp with bad hands in bad position just because you're getting a reduced price.Good luck.

[Rocketwadster 0]

It's called position. And a dangler.You don't buy sale items that are broken, do you?Likewise, don't limp with bad hands in bad position just because you're getting a reduced price.Good luck.

Change the game to hold'em and you gonna say the same nonsense? You are incorrect in your statements. I've bought many an item at a discount due to irregularities (ever heard of a scratch and dent sale?).

[Sluggo 0]

PLHE and PLO are quite different, let me assure you.Pot Limit Hold 'em is a game of aggression and position where you win with vulnerable hands.PLO is a game of discipline and position where you scoop with the nuts.Easy fold.Good luck.

[Rocketwadster 0]

PLHE and PLO are quite different, let me assure you.Pot Limit Hold 'em is a game of aggression and position where you win with vulnerable hands.PLO is a game of discipline and position where you scoop with the nuts.Easy fold.Good luck.

I agree completely that they are different games, but disagree that you should not be completing with mediocre hands from the SB, especially with all those limpers... 8)

[CobaltBlue 662]

"Sluggo", what's my dangler here? The T? I've got a suited ace...a JT...and a decent low if a 2 shows up. I think that's a decent enough hand for a complete from the SB w/ a number of limpers.I realize that you keep emphasizing position...but I'm having a hard time realizing the importance when you only play super-premium hands. It seems like you're advocating playing 10% of hands...if that.

[Rocketwadster 0]

There is another current topic where someone pointed out a Lou Krieger cardplayer article, where Lou advocates calling with any ace 3 (suited or not) with two other broadway cards. I put in my opinion that the Krieger articale was talking about Limit O8, not pot limit, but I think it may still be applicable. :?

[strategy 4]

"Sluggo", what's my dangler here? The T? I've got a suited ace...a JT...and a decent low if a 2 shows up. I think that's a decent enough hand for a complete from the SB w/ a number of limpers.I realize that you keep emphasizing position...but I'm having a hard time realizing the importance when you only play super-premium hands. It seems like you're advocating playing 10% of hands...if that.

This is PLO8? Put that in the friggin title, or somewhere in the body if that is the case.We are all confused.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Ack. It's been a few days. I'd forgotten. This was in fact Omaha. I play PLO and PLO8 at the same time...which might be a bad idea. The 3 is obviously a dangler in this hand.

[Rocketwadster 0]

Ack. It's been a few days. I'd forgotten. This was in fact Omaha. I play PLO and PLO8 at the same time...which might be a bad idea. The 3 is obviously a dangler in this hand.

Okay, now that we have confirmed what game was being played, we can re-assess our thoughts on the hand.BTW - the 3 isnt necessarily a dangler (can make a small straight out of it). An unsuited 6, 7, or 8 would be a dangler IMO.My original analysis stands, as I typed it thinking it was Omaha, which it still is... 8)

[Sluggo 0]

The 3 IS a dangler.

[Actuary 3]

There is another current topic where someone pointed out a Lou Krieger cardplayer article, where Lou advocates calling with any ace 3 (suited or not) with two other broadway cards. I put in my opinion that the Krieger articale was talking about Limit O8, not pot limit, but I think it may still be applicable. :?

no.

I agree completely that they are different games, but disagree that you should not be completing with mediocre hands from the SB, especially with all those limpers... 8)

I have no experience in this gameBut wouldn't more callers make it a worse call in a PL game ?It just means more players to raise the pot when you are out of position. So unless you hit AAT on the flop, you have to fold to any action.Not like Limit where more palyers make chasing a draw +EV...unless this table is sooo passive, it plays like a Limit hand.just a guess.

[A. Holmberg 0]

Haven't been playing quite as much Omaha lately, but this hand did come up this evening...Bodog .10/.25 PLO (8-handed)Cobalt is SB w/ A T J 3 . UTG posted.Pre-flop:UTG checks, 1 fold, MP1 calls, BB checksFlop ($1.50): A J 3 (6 players)Cobalt bets $.80Turn ($3.90): 6 Cobalt ?

If I were you, I'd probably put up another 1/2 pot bet here with top 2 pair and the nut flush draw. The only river cards that would concern me are a K or Q, unless they're :heart:s Any opinions on my read?

[Rocketwadster 0]

The 3 IS a dangler.

I guess you could consider it a dangler in that only one other card in our hand can be used with it, HOWEVER, I would rather have that 3 than a 6, 7, or 8... 8) Actuary wrote:

But wouldn't more callers make it a worse call in a PL game ? It just means more players to raise the pot when you are out of position. So unless you hit AAT on the flop, you have to fold to any action. Not like Limit where more palyers make chasing a draw +EV...unless this table is sooo passive, it plays like a Limit ha

So your thinking is that if we were playing Limit Omaha, it would be correct to complete, but since it is PLO (where our implied odds should shoot through the roof), its a fold??? Not saying you are wrong (as I do not know myself), just seems weird. :? Would you complete with a mediocre hand from the BS in NL Holdem? :?

[Sluggo 0]

guess you could consider it a dangler in that only one other card in our hand can be used with it, HOWEVER, I would rather have that 3 than a 6, 7, or 8... HOWEVER, I would rather have 9986 than a 6679, 6689, or 9976...Fold them all...Good luck.

[Smasharoo 0]

I put in my opinion that the Krieger articale was talking about Limit O8, not pot limit, but I think it may still be applicableIt's not.PLO8 and LO8 are as diffrent as chess and darts.The five most important things in PLO8 are:Position.Position.Position.Position.Starting hands.The five most important things in LO8 are:Starting hands.Starting hands.Starting hands.Starting hands.Position.Good luck.

[KDawgCometh 2]

The 3 IS a dangler.

I guess you could consider it a dangler in that only one other card in our hand can be used with it, HOWEVER, I would rather have that 3 than a 6, 7, or 8... 8)

no, and 8 would be infinatly better then the 3, the 3 IS a dangler since this isn't a split pot game.this hand is very marginal PF, but its only costing you a half bet and you have a suited broadway ace, which helps your hand a ton, not to mention three boradways. I'd half pot it on the turn, it it possible that you have the best hand. If you just had top and Bottom pair, I'd honestly look to chuck it after getting called, but you have three of the possible sets counterfeited and you now have a flush draw to go with it, its not a bad situation. If its HU into the river, I'd lean towards a check/call as you might have the best hand, but it would massivly suck to get raised on the river and chuck it if a flush doesn't come through. Also, be very careful if the board pairs or if another broadway card hits that isn't an Ace or J, as someone playing a high wrap hand is possible