lhe, c/r turn, branching out

[Actuary 3]

Mp3 is 22/9/1.5 130 handsParty Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Actuary is UTG with 8s, 8d. MP2 posts a blind of $0.50. Actuary calls, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls, Actuary calls, MP2 folds.Flop: (9 SB) Ks, 5c, 9d (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Actuary checks, MP3 checks.Turn: (4.50 BB) 4s (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Actuary checks, MP3 bets,....call down or fold is all I used to do, and I'm trying to use other techniques.Is this correct?..Risking 2 to win 5.5.thanks!more rationale later..want un-polluted feedback, first

[monoatomic 0]

I likey.

[wrto4556 0]

you're leading a non ace river, right?

[Sysvr4 0]

I'm not sure I like the turn c/r, given the limited information you have. Why not bet out on the flop? If you bet the flop we'll get a much better sense of what the PFR has based on what he does.I'd bet the flop and try to get HU with the PFR. If you get c/r'ed on the flop, I think you're done with it. Otherwise, bet/fold the turn, etc.Jeff

[Sundevils21 0]

I'm trying to think of a reason to cr the turn instead of leading. If you get 3bet on the turn then call, check/call. If he just calls the turn then lead the river(non ace, as wrto mentioned)btw, in my expirience you're up against a turn 3bet 'cause he's got kk.-Travis

[Actuary 3]

btw, in my expirience you're up against a turn 3bet 'cause he's got kk.

is that supposed to have an sw?He checks top set in position on the flop??After showing pf aggression.

[Sundevils21 0]

I had a brain fart and thought that you had bet and he raised the turn when I wrote that(maybe becuase that's how I thought the action should have went)I've been shown KK there so many times it's sick. When he checks in position on that flop it's either the nuts or an unimproved hand. If he then raises the turn(i confused the action) it's more likely the nuts than AQ/AJ.*Not trying to change the subject, as I want to see if people think you should lead the turn or cr*-Travis

[Actuary 3]

I'm not sure I like the turn c/r, given the limited information you have. Why not bet out on the flop? If you bet the flop we'll get a much better sense of what the PFR has based on what he does.I'd bet the flop and try to get HU with the PFR. If you get c/r'ed on the flop, I think you're done with it. Otherwise, bet/fold the turn, etc.Jeff

C/R on the flop? You mean by the non-pf aggressors?I agree that would slow me down. Probably call the riase and fold turn UI.But if MP3 Raises and the other two fold..I might fold there...or call and take one more card. Thus betting out on the flop cost me 1 or 2 bets and no way wins me the pot and only gives me enough info to smartly fold the turn UI. And against 4 players in a moderate pot, I would fold the turn anyway.I'd rather take the cheapest route possible to seeing the turn in this multiway pot with a raggedy flop.Then given Mp3 (nor anyone else) did not bet the flop, it seemed like he was vulnerble, maybe AQ,AJ,AT, TT, 77 (he raises many hands). I could easily have the best hand. MP3 not betting the flop gave me more info than paying 1/2 SB's would've given. The likely outcomes of this are, in no particular order:editted: damn...I forget stuff!1. He 3-bets, I fold getting 5-1 effective ( no read that he's tricky)2. He calls and I bet/fold the river3. He folds. Best.decent?