wwed: what would egarim do? (l)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Refer to the poll for the joke. Alternative title: That's not a check-raise...this is a check-raise.Bodog 1/2 Limit (10-handed)Cobalt is SB w/ A Q . Button is loose. UTG+2 is a calling station. MP3 posted.Pre-flop:UTG callsFlop (5 players): Q 2 8 :spade:Cobalt checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, Button betsTurn (3 players): 5 Cobalt betsRiver (3 players): 4 Cobalt betsFinal Pot: 15 BBA couple options: 1) capping pre-flop; 2) waiting to check-raise safe turn. I'm not sure that I like either option, but you can try to sell me on them if you'd like.Bonus Varkonyi hand...Bodog 1/2 Limit (5-handed)Cobalt is Button w/ Q T . No reads.Pre-flop:UTG calls, BB checksFlop (5 players): J 8 9 :spade:SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP betsTurn (3 players): 4 :spade:SB checks, MP betsRiver (2 players): 4 MP betsFinal Pot: 11 BBMP had J J ...if only he'd had more money. I've beat houses with quads...but never with a straight flush.

[Egarim 0]

Funny u put wwed... especially since in this case just limping in sb with aqos is definitely the right play. Raising here is a very common mistake. The other 3betting example... atleast it is not a very big mistake. In this case you got a lucky flop in the sense that u hit it hard and no one else did.

[Abbaddabba 0]

Was that really a limp/raise from the _button_?What exactly is the point? Nobody gives you credit for a big hand if you raise from the button anyways, and the field is basically identical to what it would have been if you raised from the button. Only difference is that you know the SB has a strong hand, as opposed to a random hand. What the **** is that?

[screech 0]

I don't mind the preflop raise from the small blind with AQo. You definetly have an equity edge against your opponents preflop. Folding the BB and poster would be good too. AKo and AQo are the two unsuited high card hands that I would raise here with.

Raising here is a very common mistake.

Not really. Maybe if you're playing mid to high limits it is. But at lower limits your opponents are limping in with such garbage and playing their hands so poorly postflop that raising here will more profit.I wouldn't cap here preflop. Buttons limp/raise is very fishy, and he is more likely to have a hand like JTs then AA. But still, you don't want to raise here. If your hand was suited, you should be delighted to cap.Flop check raise is good. I don't want hands with a king to get the correct odds to call, and I would like to give gutshots a chance to fold. Also, having the turn checked through really sucks.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Raising here is a very common mistake.

Agree to disagree.