maybe he's not the fish

[Actuary 3]

Been noticing this type of guy morein lhe game, been playing more tables with some lag / lp who sees about 85% of flops. Sooner or later, he shows down 10-4 for two pair, and wins 10BB on an uncoordinted board. Of course, he gets cursed at, usually by the guy holding TPTK, who called the river raise when “Donkey” woke up.Then our subject sees another flop, and another, and ..so on..even taking down a 17BB pot with pocket Q’s, after 3-betting pf..but no one noticed. After all this guy is a fish. The flop Q and Turn C/R into a field of 5 also went without much fan-fare.Lo and Behold, after 2 hours this fish has made 30 BB..getting so darn lucky. Some “solid players” begin to cuss Party Poker, saying this lucky xxxx, is getting rewarded for bringing action, hence more rake. Oh, and then someone proceeds to 3-bet and call the capped River when this fish gets a nut flush. “How’re you supposed to know..the guy plays everything”…ok..a slight exaggeration..but not much of one. Basically, been noticing all the emphasis on pre-flop selection and berating online. Then no one notices how he is outplaying everyone post flop. Just killing it. I try to learn from watching this type as well.Its not just that he's catching cards.

[WonderfulSplash 0]

Ive been seeing a lot of this too. I will make a not of how terrible someone is and then 10 minuets later I notice they are actually playing well postflop.

[Actuary 3]

to some extent, I think its a strategy against the novice read-a-book players who attach so much to pre-flop hand selection and can't lay down "made hands". It exploits this and also the fact that everyone thinks he sucks.

[Balloon guy 158]

My number one focus when playing is my own table image. I start stupid loose and play like a fish, try to lose a few small pots, then win the bigger one.Isn't really successful, but enough that I usaully leave a little ahead and play alot of hands. It's the challenge of making people do what they shouldn't that I enjoy, more than anything else.I can see how that kind of play would be effective if you had a little more discipline than I do once you've created your table image.

[checkymcfold 0]

i've been seeing this a lot too, though mostly live, so i did an experiment. i went down to 2/4 tables, and raised everything as much as possible preflop unless it was TOTAL trash (unconnected, unsuited, 10-high or worse), then played normally postflop (usually with such inflated pots that gutshots were good to the river, etc.).i dominated, at the rate of 12.45 BB/100 for 500 hands (too bored to play more; you guys take this small sample for what you will). you'd be surprised how people can't distinguish between "preflop maniac" and "maniac in general," and when you do happen to flop a monster, you'll get calls all the way down. maybe even raises, just like you said.i have yet to get the guts to try this at my normal games, though.

[WonderfulSplash 0]

PARTY DAY!!!!

[HtotheNootch 0]

Actually, it's also a matter of playing "poorly" before the flop, e.g. calling a raise w/ J-7os. Then they get a piece of the flop, and given the odds, they're actually playing correctly.SSHE talks about this. A player can make an incorrect call pre-flop, and then sometimes make correct calls the rest of the way.

[Smasharoo 0]

ok..a slight exaggeration..but not much of one.Nah, much of one. Nobody with a VP$IP in the 30's is making money, not even at .50/1 where the post flop play is terrible. Loose players will have the biggest sessions for the obvious reason that they have more of a chance of winning 5 big pots in a row or whatever.This is luck though, not a "style".Agressive play makes money, tight play makes money. Tight passive players can be small winners, lose agressive players can be small winners, loose passive players lose and tight agressive players win the bulk of money.good luck.

[allinbluff35 0]

ok..a slight exaggeration..but not much of one.Nah, much of one. Nobody with a VP$IP in the 30's is making money, not even at .50/1 where the post flop play is terrible. Loose players will have the biggest sessions for the obvious reason that they have more of a chance of winning 5 big pots in a row or whatever.This is luck though, not a "style".Agressive play makes money, tight play makes money. Tight passive players can be small winners, lose agressive players can be small winners, loose passive players lose and tight agressive players win the bulk of money.good luck.

do you ever read the High stakes LHE forum at 2+2? search for the topic "DERB".

[Actuary 3]

its not that these players are necessarily winners in the long run.My post was more directed to those that criticize the play of these guys, whie getting completlely outplayed post flop. I don't intend on pushing my VP$IP to 30%. I'm just paying more attention to these maniacs post flop and trying to distinguish strong post flop loose players from just loose players.

[Smasharoo 0]

do you ever read the High stakes LHE forum at 2+2? search for the topic "DERB".Yeah, wow, 1 guy in the 30 game is ahead with a 30% VP$IP over 200k hands. I'm also winning OVER 4BB/100 over my last 150k hands at 10/20 6.I'm not that good, and he's not a winning player, if he is it's not by much.good luck.