strategy 4 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 This is the ultra-loose PLO table I have mentioned a few times. I f'ing love it. :)koray is a maniac (not THE maniac, but one of many) and he's pretty much going to make this bet on the flop with any two. Not sure at all about gynsnsby.Seat 4: strategy04 [QD,QS,4D,AS] ($260 in chips)Seat 9: koray98 ($54 in chips)Seat 10: gysnsby ($112.75 in chips)ANTES/BLINDSCGL1752 posts blind ($1), strategy04 posts blind ($1).PRE-FLOPStingrayStew folds, koray98 bets $2, gysnsby calls $2, buttfinger folds, CGL1752 calls $1, strategy04 calls $1.FLOP [board cards 9S,10D,3S ]2 checks, koray98 bets $8, gysnsby calls $8, 1 folds, strategy04 bets $40, koray98 bets $44 and is all-in, gysnsby bets $102.75 and is all-in, strategy04 calls $70.75.Feel free to comment on any part of the hand, but what I am most interested in is the check-raise on the flop. Was the pot big enough to do it?This question is in the same vein as something like check-raising pot preflop with AAxx in bad position. I'll do it if I can get as much as 40% of my stack in. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Meh.You don't want to get all the chips in here in position mosr of the time. Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted August 26, 2005 Author Share Posted August 26, 2005 Meh.You don't want to get all the chips in here in position mosr of the time.So your line would be to call and re-evaluate on the turn?If I were to miss, what then?Bear with me, smash, I'm like, not even 1/4th as good as you are :-) Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Well, here's the thing. You have a strong hand a ton of redraws *in position* against an agressive player who may or may not, but probably does, have a better hand right at the moment.Now you're quite likely still *ahead*, but because he's so agressive (not to mention bad) he's probably goig to bet into you ANYWAY in the likely event that you catch up to where he is now. That's the time to drop the hammer when you're in position. When you're WAYYYY ahead. Not when you're somewhat ahead. You don't need to jam this pot to push out other redraws because you have most of the nut redraws anyway. Do you really want to jam this pot for someone with 99 here, when you're in position with a ton of draws? There aren't many bad turn cards for you, but when one hits it's much easier to get away from a $60 bet in position if the turn is the 9d.Position is everything in PLO, this hand is a good example why. If I have 99 here I WANT to get the money in now before I have to worry about betting into a made flush when a spade hits or made straight if some other card hits. When you're in position you can hammer the pot when you have the made hand, not when you're drawing.Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 Seat 4: strategy04 [QD,QS,4D,AS] ($260 in chips) Am I missing something here that makes me HATE this hand??All he's got is a spade flush draw, and a backdoordiamond flush or backdoor straight draws.The Queens for an overpair don't do much good.Is the 4 in the hand history supposed to be an ace??This to me seems like a donkey raise on the flopand an even bigger chip spewing call to the guy'sre-raise. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 The Queens for an overpair don't do much good. They do against an EP autobet.The raise is bad though. Folding here in position, though, would be much, much, worse.good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 I don't advocate a fold here, but a call for hopefully a spade turn would be the play, I think.Raising was pretty bad, IMO Link to post Share on other sites
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