my first stud hand post

[rog 0]

7 Card Stud High ($0.04/$0.08), Ante $0.01, Bring-In $0.02 (hand converter (use internet explorer))3rd Street - (2.00 SB)Seat 1: xx xx 6:diamond: ___calls ___callsSeat 2: xx xx T:spade: ___calls ___callsSeat 3: xx xx 8:club: ___raisesHero: 3:heart: 9:heart: Q:heart: ___callsSeat 5: xx xx T:diamond: ___foldsSeat 6: xx xx T:club: ___callsSeat 7: xx xx 5:heart: ___brings-in ___callsSeat 8: xx xx 8:heart: ___folds4th Street - (8.00 SB)Seat 1: xx xx 6:diamond: 5:club: ___checks ___callsSeat 2: xx xx T:spade: 9:spade: ___checks ___callsSeat 3: xx xx 8:club: J:spade: ___betsHero: 3:heart: 9:heart: Q:heart: 9:club: ___checks ___callsSeat 6: xx xx T:club: 3:diamond: ___checks ___callsSeat 7: xx xx 5:heart: 6:club: ___checks ___folds5th Street - (6.50 BB)Seat 1: xx xx 6:diamond: 5:club: 4:spade: ___callsSeat 2: xx xx T:spade: 9:spade: 2:heart: ___callsSeat 3: xx xx 8:club: J:spade: 5:spade: ___callsHero: 3:heart: 9:heart: Q:heart: 9:club: A:heart: ___betsSeat 6: xx xx T:club: 3:diamond: K:heart: ___calls6th Street - (11.50 BB)Seat 1: xx xx 6:diamond: 5:club: 4:spade: 4:diamond: ___checks ___callsSeat 2: xx xx T:spade: 9:spade: 2:heart: 6:heart: ___checks ___callsSeat 3: xx xx 8:club: J:spade: 5:spade: K:diamond: ___checks ___foldsHero: 3:heart: 9:heart: Q:heart: 9:club: A:heart: J:heart: ___betsSeat 6: xx xx T:club: 3:diamond: K:heart: 8:diamond: ___foldsRiver - (14.50 BB)Seat 1: xx xx 6:diamond: 5:club: 4:spade: 4:diamond: xx ___checks ___calls ___callsSeat 2: xx xx T:spade: 9:spade: 2:heart: 6:heart: xx ___bets ___raises ___callsHero: 3:heart: 9:heart: Q:heart: 9:club: A:heart: J:heart: Q:spade: ___raises ___raisesTotal pot: (29.50 BB)

[MrNiceGuy 0]

I like the way you played it through 6th. I'm not sure about calling the completion on third with two dead hearts and no connectedness, but I think it's okay since the game is loose and your opponents are showing a lot of dead doorcards.You overplayed the river, IMO. I doubt villain has a boat, since his early betting indicates he probably either started with a big pair or two spades in the hole. If your opponent were good, I'd be surprised if he'd bet the river with a hand that couldn't beat an AQ-high flush, so I would just call. At this limit, though, a value raise might be in order - but I definetely would not cap after he 3-bets, unless he's a very poor player who plays only his own hand - your raise says "I'm not kidding, I do have the flush", so his 3-bet suggests he's either full or has an AK-high flush.EDIT: Regarding the river, I looked at the hand wrong, I was thinking that seat 2 had done the early betting, but it was seat 3. This makes it more possible that you're up against a boat on the river. I still maybe raise once if you think your opponent is bad and would bet a weaker flush, but again, I don't cap unless he's REALLY bad.

[Rocketwadster 0]

Here are my thoughts (note that I play mainly stud hi/lo though, so take it with a grain of salt):On third street, there is no way I am completing this hand here, let alone calling a raise. The only thing you have going for you is a possible flush, and there are already two of your suit showing on board. Your straight chances, while already bad as you only have two to a straight currently, are practically non-existant with three tens and two 8's showing. Clearly, you are at a table full of idiots (it is micro-limits!), as two of the guys with tens called the raise, and the raise came from one of the 8's. To me, even at micro limits, these guys have either big pairs in the hole (ie. kings, aces), or flush possibilities themselves.I would gladly give up my .01 cent ante, and wait until the next hand.I see no reason to provide comments on the remainder, as it looks like you played it fine, except for the fact that you played it at all. 8)

[garamond10pt 0]

You don't think he should've raised 4th? The bettor's on his immediate left and he now picked up a pair to go with his over.

[Rocketwadster 0]

You don't think he should've raised 4th? The bettor's on his immediate left and he now picked up a pair to go with his over.

I think he should have raised thid street if he was going to play at all (which he shouldn't have) 8)

[MrNiceGuy 0]

You don't think he should've raised 4th? The bettor's on his immediate left and he now picked up a pair to go with his over.

I think he should have raised thid street if he was going to play at all (which he shouldn't have) 8)

You can't raise third here behind a completion. You can either call or fold - I think calling is okay at this limit, where opponents will go too far with nothing hands. Limpers may have anything, and nobody will limp and then fold to a completion.You're about 4-1 to make a flush by the river here, given the dead hearts, with basically zero straight possibilities, but your ranks are live (to win with trips, a boat, or possibly even queens up), while your opponents' doorcards are dead. If seat 3 had just limped in front of you, I probably complete, but limping behind may be better.I'm not raising 4th here - only 15 cards on 5th will even allow me to stay in the hand. Sometimes you want to try to get it heads-up with the second best hand, but I don't think so here - even if you make two pair, it may well be no good against seat 3.Nobody else feels the river was badly overplayed?

[Rocketwadster 0]

You can't raise third here behind a completion. You can either call or fold - I think calling is okay at this limit, where opponents will go too far with nothing hands. Limpers may have anything, and nobody will limp and then fold to a completion.

What? There is a bring-in, fold, call, call, raise, why can you not re-raise right here? I am confused?

[garamond10pt 0]

I like the 4th street raise. Right now I put seat 3 on a big pair in the hole. I would call down without the hearts heads up with my 9's because you can see the exact moment he makes 2 pair and can fold, whereas he will call you down if you make 2pr or better. When he bets, it's a perfect opportunity to pare down the field.I also like the river 3-bet. The 10's and 9's are mostly out (but spades are live) and he played it like a draw that hit. AQ flush is a cap especially with a third player.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

You can't raise third here behind a completion. You can either call or fold - I think calling is okay at this limit' date=' where opponents will go too far with nothing hands. Limpers may have anything' date=' and nobody will limp and then fold to a completion. [/quote''] What? There is a bring-in, fold, call, call, raise, why can you not re-raise right here? I am confused?Bad choice of words - you are allowed to raise, of course, but why on earth would you want to thin the field on 3rd?

[Rocketwadster 0]

You can't raise third here behind a completion. You can either call or fold - I think calling is okay at this limit' date=' where opponents will go too far with nothing hands. Limpers may have anything' date=' and nobody will limp and then fold to a completion. [/quote''] What? There is a bring-in, fold, call, call, raise, why can you not re-raise right here? I am confused?Bad choice of words - you are allowed to raise, of course, but why on earth would you want to thin the field on 3rd?

Better disguise our hand. With a re-raise there, we are giving the impression of at least a pair of queens, if not a set. Plus, since we may not get our flush, we may need to win it with a different holding, and this raise helps us to establish that.Regardless, I said we wouldn't play it anyhow, as it is shyte. 8)

[garamond10pt 0]

Better disguise our hand. With a re-raise there, we are giving the impression of at least a pair of queens, if not a set. Plus, since we may not get our flush, we may need to win it with a different holding, and this raise helps us to establish that.Regardless, I said we wouldn't play it anyhow, as it is shyte. 8)

I would raise with more high-card strength, because I have a better chance of winning without the flush short-handed. Right now, though, most of our value is in the 3-flush, and since it's fairly weak at that, you can't raise for value and you don't raise to thin the field.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

why on earth would you want to thin the field on 3rd?

Better disguise our hand. With a re-raise there, we are giving the impression of at least a pair of queens, if not a set. Plus, since we may not get our flush, we may need to win it with a different holding, and this raise helps us to establish that.Regardless, I said we wouldn't play it anyhow, as it is shyte. 8)

Ugh. I agree that reraising 3rd would maximaize our chances of winning the pot - but I believe it's easily -EV versus calling and folding. You would knock out the nothing hands, and be putting in a higher % of the money in. Deceptive play is good if there's some value in it, but I see no value here. And deception is rarely useful against weak opposition anyway.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

I like the 4th street raise. Right now I put seat 3 on a big pair in the hole. I would call down without the hearts heads up with my 9's because you can see the exact moment he makes 2 pair and can fold, whereas he will call you down if you make 2pr or better. When he bets, it's a perfect opportunity to pare down the field.I also like the river 3-bet. The 10's and 9's are mostly out (but spades are live) and he played it like a draw that hit. AQ flush is a cap especially with a third player.

I just don't think our hand is good enough to raise 4th. Even if everyone folds and seat 3 just calls, we will have barely sufficient pot odds to call a bet on 5th if we miss, and we have to dodge redraws even if we hit - not to mention that seat three could already have trip jacks. Plus, I doubt a raise on 4th actually would get it heads-up anyway, especially at this limit.I would agree with you on the river if our hand were better hidden, but as is I'd say it's pretty transparent after we raise that we have at least an AQ-high flush.

[garamond10pt 0]

especially at this limit.

Jesus, I just noticed the limit. When everyone was talking about low-limit, I thought .50/1. Yeah, a lot of strategy considerations go out the window this low.

[Rocketwadster 0]

We SHOULDN'T think that way, but it is a fact that people think it is only a penny, or only a nickel, or only a dime, or only a quarter, or only a dollar, or only a toonie, or only a fiver, or only a ten-spot, or only a twenty... :wink:

[rog 0]

Thanks a lot...this is helpfull. I am shite at stud. I am an absolute fish. I knew I should have dumped this hand in the first place. I was hoping to get opinions on 7th. Consensus is I overplayed it. Point duly noted. Incidentally, I lost to AK flush.