plo hi/lo question

[hosshughes 0]

.10-.25 pot limit omaha 8/b game on ub.im in the big blind w/ j j 10 7.2 limpers, sb completes, i check.flop comes j 6 3, two hearts.sb checks, i bet $1 (pot), limper 1 calls, limper 2 raises to $4, sb folds, i go allin for $12 total...any comments on how i played this?

[Rocketwadster 0]

I don't like it at all.Its Hi/Lo, so you are only playing for half the pot with your hand many many times here (there might not be a low when all five cards are out).There are two flush cards on board, and it doesnt appear that you have any of them (you could still get a full here though).The 3 6 are fairly close together, and since many players play hands that have lots of low potential, they may make a small straight that will beat your trips (you may get a full here though).So basically you are jamming the pot with the current nuts but no other good ways to win the hand, which might only be for half the pot. I don't think you should be doing this... :?

[hosshughes 0]

I don't like it at all.Its Hi/Lo, so you are only playing for half the pot with your hand many many times here (there might not be a low when all five cards are out).There are two flush cards on board, and it doesnt appear that you have any of them (you could still get a full here though).The 3 6 are fairly close together, and since many players play hands that have lots of low potential, they may make a small straight that will beat your trips (you may get a full here though).So basically you are jamming the pot with the current nuts but no other good ways to win the hand, which might only be for half the pot. I don't think you should be doing this... :?

So you think I should just call the raise, and pray that a scare card doesnt come down? I understand what you're saying about playing for half the pot, but if I'm against 2 players which guarantees ill make money on this hand even with a split, why wouldnt i try and price the flush and straight draws out to isolate with a "possible" low hand?I'm not being sarcastic, I really am wondering why I wouldnt do this

[Rocketwadster 0]

Its like playing a hand like a straight but there being a 2 to a flush on board. You have the current nuts, but are you a favorite to win the hand by the end? To me, I see it like this - you are risking $40 to win $20 ($40 x 3 / 2). Why do that? Why not wait until you have a chance to risk $40 to win $80? 8)

[Rocketwadster 0]

So you think I should just call the raise, and pray that a scare card doesnt come down? I understand what you're saying about playing for half the pot, but if I'm against 2 players which guarantees ill make money on this hand even with a split, why wouldnt i try and price the flush and straight draws out to isolate with a "possible" low hand?I'm not being sarcastic, I really am wondering why I wouldnt do this

I forgot to mention - you do not have enough money (or ability usually with PLO) to "price" the flush and straight draws out. 8)

[hosshughes 0]

in case you were wondering they both called with flush draws and low draws.I put the hands into an odds calculator. It said that I was 18% to scoop, 67% to split. If I had read both of these guys as having lows, and being quartered if they hit it, does this change your answer?Thanks for your comments by the way.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Check/call the flop to see the turn if it's cheap.If the turn card completes a flush or straight, minimum bet it (hopefully you can get to see the river cheap and pair the board). If you get raised, get out, your OOP, just don't get married to the set since you didn't lose much. It's not worth it to commit yourself with this kind of board.Anything else check/pot it or just pot it. It depends on the board, the stack size of your opponents'...Players tend to overplay the current nut hand, don't go crazy about it. You try to get to see the river as cheaply as possible if odds are against you.

[hosshughes 0]

You try to get to see the river as cheaply as possible if odds are against you.

But the odds are FOR me, so arent i playing right into their hands if i let THEM see the river cheaply?

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

You try to get to see the river as cheaply as possible if odds are against you.

But the odds are FOR me, so arent i playing right into their hands if i let THEM see the river cheaply?

Please note that this means no offense to you, but a lot of plo8 beginners over-estimate their set strength when their hands have no redraw, no low possibilities, especially when the board has straight and flush possibility. Just give you some examples, your hand is about 1 to 2 underdog against the following hand.Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing 3c Jh 6hcards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EVJs Jc Td 7h 192 422 398 0 0 0 0 0.3747s 5d Ah 4h 398 398 422 0 589 0 0 0.626Against [4s 5d Ah 2h], your about 1 to 2.Against [Ks 5d Kh 4h], your about 2 to 3 underdog.Against [Ks 5d Ah Kh], your still about 0.473 against .527.How about against [8s Ac 2d Kh]? you are only 3 to 2 favorite.I am talking about headsup. And now when you are up against 3 opponents, your odds lower dramatically.For beginners, I recommend the safe approach, don't put a lot of money where you could be a huge underdog. Sure they could have inferior hands than yours, so let them take some small pots. When you have a huge edge, let them pay you big. Just consider fishing, you pay a little bait, you catch them later on.Also did you watch the movie "Million Dollar baby"? Before you do the offense and make the maximum damage, learn to protect yourself first.